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re: Bar owner believes Raekwon Davis "shot himself"
Posted on 8/29/17 at 12:55 pm to PearlJam
Posted on 8/29/17 at 12:55 pm to PearlJam
If the victim would just cooperate maybe these rumors wouldn't get started.
"If the victim would just waive his constitutional rights to not incriminate himself so I could make even more snarky comments on a message board."
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Posted on 8/29/17 at 12:57 pm to SoFla Tideroller
quote:He did something illegal? :shockedface:
"If the victim would just waive his constitutional rights to not incriminate himself
Posted on 8/29/17 at 1:01 pm to PearlJam
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He did something illegal?
I'm willing to bet there's been a few people at Alabama who have instructed every single athlete to never ever ever talk to the police without a lawyer present regardless. Even as a person who supports the police oh hell no you don't give them a statement. Know your rights just don't be a dick about them.
Posted on 8/29/17 at 1:03 pm to Wallacewade04
quote:Completely innocent victims of a crime should not be advised by any competent lawyer not to talk to police.
I'm willing to bet there's been a few people at Alabama who have instructed every single athlete to never ever ever talk to the police without a lawyer present regardless
OTOH - RD was probably wise to not cooperate, but then it is hard to blame people when they seek answers from other sources (see: shady bar owner).
This post was edited on 8/29/17 at 1:07 pm
Posted on 8/29/17 at 1:07 pm to PearlJam
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Completely innocent victims of a crime should not be advised by any competent lawyer not to talk to police.
Sure, if you did absolutely nothing wrong you should be fine. But there's enough paranoia that has people spooked. He could've done absolutely nothing wrong and still been scared to talk to the cops. Young black man in Tuscaloosa, Alabama? Being afraid that you might not get a fair shake isn't unreasonable.
And let's say he did something wrong it's not his job to get himself charged with a crime. Not incriminating yourself is a right.
Posted on 8/29/17 at 1:11 pm to Wallacewade04
quote:Correct, but it only protects you in the court of law, not the court of public opinion. He chose the right one to care most about. Now I get to have fun on the internet with it.
And let's say he did something wrong it's not his job to get himself charged with a crime. Not incriminating yourself is a right.
Posted on 8/29/17 at 1:11 pm to Wallacewade04
quote:Correct, but it only protects you in the court of law, not the court of public opinion. He chose the right one to care most about. Now I get to have fun on the internet with it.
And let's say he did something wrong it's not his job to get himself charged with a crime. Not incriminating yourself is a right.
Posted on 8/29/17 at 1:13 pm to PearlJam
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not the court of public opinion. He chose the right one to care most about. Now I get to have fun on the internet with it.
Fair enough
Hell this will be a non story in about 6 days
Posted on 8/29/17 at 1:18 pm to beaver
Fake news, give it a couple of days and his story will be totally recanted. REC happens.
Posted on 8/29/17 at 1:18 pm to Saskwatch
quote:What city has this not happened in?
Sometimes people are unlucky when standing outside of a bar late at night and get hit with strays in certain cities.
Posted on 8/29/17 at 1:19 pm to beaver
It's all good. He was just shooting his weapon aimlessly into the air. As long as he wasn't shooting firing it directly at innocent bystanders he was actually making good decisions.
And who are you to judge anyways, Mr. I Have an Air-conditioner?
And who are you to judge anyways, Mr. I Have an Air-conditioner?
Posted on 8/29/17 at 1:22 pm to Weagle25
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You do know what concealed carry is right? You also know how many people have permits to do so right?
I do, and I'd bet a lot of money Raekwon Davis doesn't have a concealed carry permit (I don't even believe he's old enough to obtain one). And even with a concealed carry permit, most bars aren't going to allow you to carry one in their establishment. Additionally, if this is in a shoddy part of town as others have alluded to, you'd think the bar owner would be taking preventative measures with his security. For instance, I have a concealed carry permit. It is not unlawful for me to carry a concealed firearm on my person. However, Beale Street in Memphis does not allow weapons on Beale Street and they frisk/wand you to gain entry after dark.
So that's why I made the comment I did. The owner thinks it makes him look better that a guy shot himself in his club than being a victim of a drive-by shooting. So either he has terrible security at his own business or his business is in a shitty part of town. Neither makes him look better.
This post was edited on 8/29/17 at 1:25 pm
Posted on 8/29/17 at 1:24 pm to PearlJam
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Correct, but it only protects you in the court of law, not the court of public opinion. He chose the right one to care most about. Now I get to have fun on the internet with it.
Hell, I'm an Alabama fan and I freely admit it's more interesting than the coach porking the AU girls softball team, so run with it.
Posted on 8/29/17 at 1:28 pm to lsufball19
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I'd bet a lot of money Raekwon Davis doesn't have a concealed carry permit (I don't even believe he's old enough to obtain one).
I doubt he has one either, but you can actually get one in Alabama at 19 so it is technically possible. Again, I don't like giving my money away so I'll pass on betting you that he's got one.
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So either he has terrible security at his own business or his business is in a shitty part of town.
These aren't mutually exclusive. In fact, if only part of what's being said about this bar is true then they're both accurate.
No matter who launched the bullet, it's pretty accurate to say Davis' choice of bars was a very poor one.
Posted on 8/29/17 at 1:30 pm to JustGetItRight
Has anyone brought up the fact that if the PD believed he was firing a gun, he would have been arrested? If any eyewitnesses would have told the PD that Davis fired a gun, he would have been arrested.
Posted on 8/29/17 at 1:34 pm to AU4real35
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Fake news, give it a couple of days and his story will be totally recanted. REC happens.
Maybe the coaches will put him in quarantine for a few hours until he does what they say.
Posted on 8/29/17 at 1:41 pm to SECSolomonGrundy
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Has anyone brought up the fact that if the PD believed he was firing a gun, he would have been arrested? If any eyewitnesses would have told the PD that Davis fired a gun, he would have been arrested.
No, odds are good he wouldn't have been arrested at least not that night. Here are the reasons:
1) It appears nobody found a gun. Without the gun, that's a hard case to make.
2) Shooting into an occupied vehicle or building is a felony but shooting into the air would probably be considered reckless endangerment, which is a misdemeanor. In Alabama, except in limited circumstances officers can't arrest for misdemeanors unless they witness them. Otherwise, they've got to have a warrant - meaning someone would have to go down to the magistrate and get one.
Now, if they really thought he was lying, they could build the case and get a warrant, and arrest him for that but it has been 3 days since the incident. If that was going to happen, it would have happened by now. Heck, even if they thought he was lying and accidentally shot himself they'd probably not think it was worth their time to take it further. Nobody else was hurt, he has a hole in his leg, and he's got to face the coaching staff. A misdemeanor lyin' to the po-po fine would be the least of his problems.
Posted on 8/29/17 at 1:42 pm to Wallacewade04
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So it's just a rumor?
Well yea. The police say differently, but naturally the rant takes the side of the bar owner over the cops.
Posted on 8/29/17 at 1:46 pm to beaver
Wonder if he got the gun from Hootie?
Posted on 8/29/17 at 1:50 pm to DeltaDoc
No, the gun belonged to a fellow named Brandon Chicken.
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