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re: As The Plains Burn II: FBI arrests Auburn's Assist basketball coach

Posted on 9/26/17 at 9:21 am to
Posted by PearlJam
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Posted on 9/26/17 at 9:21 am to
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but there does not appear to be any hint that the money was given to benefit the program or team in anyway.

The complaint lays out how AU (I assume) was defrauded by continuing to pay scholarship money and playing players that were ineligible.
I get that and I'm not saying this is a death penalty case, lack of institutional control case, or even a firing of pearl case based only on what is in the complaint. However, it is probably at least the loss of eligibility for a couple of possible nba level players and maybe a post season ban.
This post was edited on 9/26/17 at 9:23 am
Posted by BluegrassBelle
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Posted on 9/26/17 at 9:21 am to
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Kentucky in the affidavit


Unless I read something wrong, it's a "University in Kentucky" which local news figured out to be UofL and the recruit was Brian Bowen I believe.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
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Posted on 9/26/17 at 9:22 am to
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College Basketball makes College Football look like Snow White I dont think anyone wants to dig too deep


Coaches who don't at least swim/put their toe in those waters literally cannot sign Top 100 players.

See Mark Fox.
Posted by skirpnasty
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Posted on 9/26/17 at 9:22 am to
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College Basketball makes College Football look like Snow White

I dont think anyone wants to dig too deep


Adidas head of sports marketing was one of the arrests, I think they dug pretty damn deep.
Posted by Elleshoe
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Posted on 9/26/17 at 9:23 am to
Seriously... they passed these out at the old barn against LSU in 2006. I think they retired his number or honored him in some way
Posted by Pigfeet
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Posted on 9/26/17 at 9:23 am to
Talking about a black hole. Summer camps/Aau/Pro Athletes/Shoe contracts

It could go on and on and on

Especially if any of the arrested are rats
Posted by Pettifogger
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Posted on 9/26/17 at 9:23 am to
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I agree, actually. Seems like this has way more to do with something Chuck was doing on his own than anything Auburn had done.



I don't want feds or NCAA poking around. But I want to see what we learn about Auburn's involvement in the investigation, if any.

Assuming we're University-1, it seems like it'd be difficult for AU to be simultaneously serving as a victim for the federal case and be the bad actor for the NCAA

ETA: But we'll get drug in the media either way and I'm sure it'll be a practical hindrance for a team trying to turn the corner. AU needs a bigger program to become the target, which shouldn't be too hard.
This post was edited on 9/26/17 at 9:25 am
Posted by doverstutts
Member since Jul 2017
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Posted on 9/26/17 at 9:24 am to
I quit.....been thrilled with the possible outstanding basketball season...now this....I quit, i'm too old to be kicked in the nuts, over and over , suffering from constant the stupidity in the AU athletic department. I quit, its just not worth the pain
Posted by Diamondawg
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Posted on 9/26/17 at 9:24 am to
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You guys know any other big name players sponsored by Adidas that played at an adidas school?


We are Adidas and we got an overrated 5* in Malik Newman (now playing?? at Kansas) but his dad played at State. I think Howland had just gotten back into coaching when he got Malik, though. Seems like this kind of thing would have to take some time (years sniffing each others' butts) to gain trust. JMO
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
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Posted on 9/26/17 at 9:24 am to
And the chaser - Rick Pitino talking about how "lucky" Louisville was to sign Bowen (the player who supposedly got $100K).

Posted by footswitch
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Posted on 9/26/17 at 9:25 am to
There goes Aubie...whistling past the graveyard again
Posted by Pigfeet
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Posted on 9/26/17 at 9:25 am to
Expect a shite ton of rule changes from this. NCAA has a whole dozen eggs and the chicken on their face
This post was edited on 9/26/17 at 9:27 am
Posted by Ssubba
Member since Oct 2014
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Posted on 9/26/17 at 9:25 am to
Jay Jacobs retirement in coming.
Posted by PearlJam
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Posted on 9/26/17 at 9:26 am to
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Assuming we're University-1, it seems like it'd be difficult for AU to be simultaneously serving as a victim for the federal case and be the bad actor for the NCAA
We are a victim in the sense we were technically defrauded out of paying ineligible players grant and scholarship money which is one aspect that gives the feds jurisdiction. However, as it relates to the ncaa, we can be seen as a bad actor because Person was acting as an agent of our program, even if he was rogue.
Posted by skirpnasty
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Posted on 9/26/17 at 9:26 am to
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We are Adidas and we got an overrated 5* in Malik Newman (now playing?? at Kansas) but his dad played at State. I think Howland had just gotten back into coaching when he got Malik, though. Seems like this kind of thing would have to take some time (years sniffing each others' butts) to gain trust. JMO



He signed with us and then, from what I remember, his only potential transfer destinations were adidas schools. Not hard to connect the dots there. We 100% have guys on our roster that we signed because of Adidas.
Posted by Pigfeet
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Posted on 9/26/17 at 9:26 am to
Wow
Posted by CCTider
Member since Dec 2014
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Posted on 9/26/17 at 9:27 am to
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He's an Auburn man though



He is an a-hole, so that makes sense.
Posted by Lg
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Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 9/26/17 at 9:29 am to
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So we’re fine. This is fine.


You still have an assistant coach giving money to student athlete's and their families which is against NCAA rules I believe.
Posted by Pettifogger
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Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 9/26/17 at 9:30 am to
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We are a victim in the sense we were technically defrauded out of paying ineligible players grant and scholarship money which is one aspect that gives the feds jurisdiction. However, as it relates to the ncaa, we can be seen as a bad actor because Person was acting as an agent of our program, even if he was rogue.



A rogue agent with motivations entirely unrelated to, and contrary to the benefit of, the program/university who employed him. Is there a comparable situation we can look to?

Posted by PearlJam
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Posted on 9/26/17 at 9:31 am to
Would be interesting to know the players involved. Heron and Purifoy?
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