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re: anyone see this article about national titles and who has how many?
Posted on 1/12/20 at 10:36 am to Old Money
Posted on 1/12/20 at 10:36 am to Old Money
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Alabama was the only southern team that really got coverage, they were the South team in the Yankee Medias eyes
Not really, GIT played a bunch of games against Notre Dame, and Tulane and Georgia both went to the Rose Bowl. Early on, Vandy got some press as well.
The problem was that southern teams refused to play northern and western teams, so that made them look like cowards and put them behind the 8 ball.
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Posted on 1/12/20 at 10:36 am to Oklahomey
quote:Besides they 6 AP/UP/BCS/CFP titles, they are counting the 1961 FWAA (Bama won the AP/UPI) & the 1970 NFF (Neb. won the AP; Tex. won the UPI) that Ohio State won.
List is inaccurate.
Ohio State has 6.
Oklahoma has 7.
Looks like they did goof on Oklahoma. Only saw 7.
Posted on 1/12/20 at 10:37 am to ClemsonRules
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If a program hasn’t won a title this century it is no longer “elite”...any titles prior to desegregation shouldn’t count either. Just saying.
referring to Notre Dame, but they have won so much that it will take a long time till they are not considered elite. Unlike Michigan, they have not only won a lot of games (especially percentage wise) but they have won a lot of titles. 2nd only to Alabama. Yes, the northern and midwest controlled media used to be a factor in that, but still...
edit to note that Notre Dame did have black players before desegregation, but damn few. When you have time to kill sometimes, google team pictures of northern and midwest teams from the 1950s and 60s. They have little to boast about.
This post was edited on 1/12/20 at 10:43 am
Posted on 1/12/20 at 10:52 am to Dick Jacket
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Michigan State also played only 9 games and no bowl. Tech 12-0 with a Sugar Bowl win (when there were only 8 bowls).
So maybe it’s high time we go back and look at all of these titles when the northeast/Midwest media was exerting it’s bias.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Bama should have won in 1966 too. Bama was the only unbeaten/untied team that year & started out as AP preseason #1. But, the polls chose other teams.
So Georgia Tech isn't unique & did not win the national championship by recognized polls that year. Mich. St. did.
Posted on 1/12/20 at 10:58 am to jatebe
Never said Tech was unique. But we need to re-examine these historic media titles and not recognize clear media bullshite.
Posted on 1/12/20 at 10:58 am to jatebe
The problem with this list is championships before the 70s were so subjective because it was before bowl games and before teams played outside of their own area. Just a crapshoot.
I'd say, by the 80s, they started to get more legitimate. Also you have some schools claiming some that other schools wouldn't since there was no "official" championship title.
I think most fans can just know who the top historical teams are without knowing the "unofficial" count.
I'd say, by the 80s, they started to get more legitimate. Also you have some schools claiming some that other schools wouldn't since there was no "official" championship title.
I think most fans can just know who the top historical teams are without knowing the "unofficial" count.
Posted on 1/12/20 at 11:03 am to John Milner
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the list is from an unbiased website and reflect only AP, UPI/coaches, and the BCS and playoff titles. Alabama has 12 and LSU has 3.
The list is for AP, UPI/Coaches; BCS, CFP, and also FWAA and NFF titles.
They are listing the Arkansas 1964 FWAA; the Ole Miss 1960 FWAA; the Ohio State 1964 FWAA & the Ohio State 1970 NFF/ MacArthur Bowl titles.
They also listed the Iowa Hawkeye with 1. They won the FWAA that year when LSU won the AP/UPI. Shared title.
Posted on 1/12/20 at 11:15 am to StealthLSU
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I'd say, by the 80s, they started to get more legitimate.
After 1980; poll split titles....
1990 - Colorado won the AP/FWAA/NFF; Georgia Tech won the UPI.
1991 - Miami won the AP; Washington won the UPI/FWAA/NFF.
1997 - Michigan won the AP/FWAA/NFF; Nebraska won the Coaches
2003 - LSU won the BCS/NFF; Southern Cal won the AP/FWAA.
Posted on 1/12/20 at 11:22 am to StealthLSU
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before teams played outside of their own area.
No, just southern teams didn't want to play outside of their area.
Posted on 1/12/20 at 11:28 am to Sunset Strip
quote:this. bama claims a championship when they lost their bowl game and that's the team they claim it over.
That's bull shite. They really only have about 8 or 9 legitimate titles.
Posted on 1/12/20 at 11:37 am to jatebe
You dont know the history. 1941 bama was ranked 20th and two losses.
explain '24, '26, '30 and '34. absolute jokes. and they aren't even the worst. Helms was an absolute joke. you gumps don't know history at all.
explain '24, '26, '30 and '34. absolute jokes. and they aren't even the worst. Helms was an absolute joke. you gumps don't know history at all.
This post was edited on 1/12/20 at 11:38 am
Posted on 1/12/20 at 11:44 am to arcalades
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arcalades
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arcalades
what part of poll era titles do you seriously not get?
Alabama 12 LSU 3
Posted on 1/12/20 at 11:49 am to jatebe
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After 1980; poll split titles....
That's why I said started to.
Once we hit 1998, we have actual championship games and the polls themselves are pointless. 2003 usc is like Uga trying to claim this year because they feel bad for being left out of the championship. No knock at Uga, they are just the #5 team this year.
Posted on 1/12/20 at 11:53 am to Old Money
Milner isn't very smart.
Posted on 1/12/20 at 11:55 am to 19
Yes, Bama's first nc title came in 1961. 
Rose Bowl was a tournament so those wins should've counted as NCs.
Rose Bowl was a tournament so those wins should've counted as NCs.
Posted on 1/12/20 at 11:57 am to 19
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Milner isn't very smart.
and yet, I can comprehend as simple a thing as what "poll era" means
Posted on 1/12/20 at 12:29 pm to stephendomalley
If we were like Bama we would have 8! We have legit claims on 1908, 1935, 1936, 1958,1962,2003,2007. But since we don’t, we only claim 3. I don’t see any reason why we don’t claim them but I digress
Posted on 1/12/20 at 12:32 pm to arcalades
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arcalades
We're talking poll era.
Alabama won the AP, UPI/coaches, BCS, CFP titles in 12 seasons not counting 1941.
Most Bama fans, including me, consider 1941 bullshite.
As for 25, 26, 30, & 34, they are Rose bowl wins when Alabama was awarded a title before the poll era.
A whole lot of other schools count their titles from those days too.
The NCAA recognizes those historic titles. LINK
Posted on 1/12/20 at 12:38 pm to LSUNV
Posted on 1/12/20 at 1:01 pm to jatebe
quote:the bcs was THE title. there was no "split." the ap poll at the time was merely a part of the overall formula. the fact that the ap poll wasn't contractually obligated to vote the bcs cg winner #1 is a technicality. the fact that journalists say there was a split means nothing in reality. the ap poll lost pretty much any credibility it had after the '03 season
2003 - LSU won the BCS/NFF; Southern Cal won the AP/FWAA
where the ap poll messed up that season was not moving lsu to #1 after beating ole miss on the road. that historic problem of not moving teams down after a win is what created the bcs/playoff in the first place. everyone knew it was stupid. the ap poll was pretty much useless after that.
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