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re: Any Ideas on what happens to the Big12 and PacW?

Posted on 2/11/23 at 12:59 pm to
Posted by TheCheshireHog
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Posted on 2/11/23 at 12:59 pm to
The PAC-12 is dead. It’s not a matter of if but when. Their schools will eventually be absorbed by some combo of the Big 12, B1G and MWC over the next decade.
Posted by Radio Zero
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Posted on 2/11/23 at 12:59 pm to
Elevate academic that is

Srsly you can be sure that as happy as Autism is to be joining there also a lot of embarrassment of alumni and faculty and admin at the same time ….

dont kid yourself about this- we are still talking abt universities here and being lumped in with say auburn and it’s “family “ - isnt exactly the greatest look ,
This post was edited on 2/11/23 at 1:05 pm
Posted by Cheese Grits
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Posted on 2/11/23 at 1:02 pm to
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Just FYI the big East is still very much a thing in basketball…


In the early days they ruled the media deals with basketball

Unless they break the NCAA in basketball the way football did in the late 70's they are dead as disco from a $$$$ point.
Posted by solus
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Posted on 2/11/23 at 1:03 pm to
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The Big East is no more.


Then what is it?

Nevermind I see this is football specific.. So yeah you're right. BE was dead when it was a football conference
This post was edited on 2/11/23 at 1:05 pm
Posted by TheCheshireHog
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Posted on 2/11/23 at 1:04 pm to
In football, it’s now the AAC. Clearly he’s just focused on football with this thread.
Posted by solus
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Posted on 2/11/23 at 1:05 pm to
Yeah just edited
Posted by TheCheshireHog
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Posted on 2/11/23 at 1:06 pm to
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ACC was dead man walking before the first realignment. they are in the catbird seat now. Still don't get why most folks don't see this?


What? I think it’s pretty much the worst kept secret in college sports that the SEC and B1G are going to gut the ACC when their GOR expires.
Posted by twk
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Posted on 2/11/23 at 1:08 pm to
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I think Washington and Oregon have enough juice for the big10.

The big10 is already in the west coast so why not add two more good brands.
As someone else noted, if Oregon and Washington had enough juice for the Big Ten, they would have already added them by now.

If the Big Ten hadn't added Rutgers and Maryland, and could take 2 teams to get to 16, then maybe the math would be different, but as schools 17 and 18, they just don't work.
Posted by Radio Zero
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Posted on 2/11/23 at 1:10 pm to
like for instance look how auburn treated clesi a person who identify as a woman a very sexy woman and your telling me that AUTISM REALLY want to be associated with that. Sec is rough serious business we shall see but bringing in some school like Colorado would make things go down better take the edge off the disreputable… I think sank will see it this way too it will be part of his legacy raising the profile of the conference
Posted by UT Beer Man
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Posted on 2/11/23 at 1:13 pm to
There is no fixing it unless it was rejiggered by a governing body.

There are reasonable geographic considerations that could be used to create 4 16-team super conferences, that maintain tradition and football culture. But that would require existing conferences and schools to relinquish autonomy for the greater good of the game. Not gonna happen.
Posted by UT Beer Man
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Posted on 2/11/23 at 1:16 pm to
Nobody thinks Rutgers-UCLA is a Big 10 matchup.

At this point, the history of college football is dead, buried and wearing a leather helmet.

The king is dead, long live the corporate football queen.
This post was edited on 2/11/23 at 1:19 pm
Posted by Cheese Grits
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Posted on 2/11/23 at 1:20 pm to
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I think it’s pretty much the worst kept secret in college sports that the SEC and B1G are going to gut the ACC


Says the talking heads yet here we are 20 - 30 years later (and several contracts later) and it still has not happened. Could it just be possible that the media talking heads are dumber than a barrel full of hammers?


I still marvel at how quiet the ACC is when they move. I did not hear 1 talking head in the US say Pitt + Cuse to the ACC and almost nobody said they would add UL till after it happened.
Posted by Radio Zero
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Posted on 2/11/23 at 1:31 pm to
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As someone else noted, if Oregon and Washington had enough juice for the Big Ten, they would have already added them by now. If the Big Ten hadn't added Rutgers and Maryland, and could take 2 teams to get to 16, then maybe the math would be different, but as schools 17 and 18, they just don't work.

yea dont also underestimate the snob factor with the B10

they is probably a sizable minority slobbering over the idea of pulling in Stanford and cal even if what they add athletics is only so so

fricking shite
This post was edited on 2/11/23 at 1:32 pm
Posted by bamabaseballsec
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Posted on 2/11/23 at 1:36 pm to
It doesn’t matter “conference expansion” is just trimming of the fat. There will be a new top div of football consisting of about 30-50 teams. Hell if I wouldn’t be surprised if Rutgers northwestern and vandy eventually get the ax
Posted by dstone12
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Posted on 2/11/23 at 1:44 pm to
I tried to mess around with smaller regional/historical leagues and came up with this.

I still don’t like it too much but I do like preserving some old big east rivalries. It preserves some old Penn State matchups and includes ND/Pitt/Miami in those games in the 1980s that everyone tuned in to watch. Pitt/WVU



It gives you seven 10-team leagues with plenty of room for big non conference games. Granted there is a Garbage-Upper-Midwest conference, but you cannot avoid that.


Either get rid of conference champ games and have a 12 team playoff
-or-
Have a conference championship game that allows each league in a 7 team playoff with the SEC getting a bye in first round


This post was edited on 2/11/23 at 1:55 pm
Posted by dstone12
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Posted on 2/11/23 at 3:00 pm to
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It doesn’t matter “conference expansion” is just trimming of the fat. There will be a new top div of football consisting of about 30-50 teams. Hell if I wouldn’t be surprised if Rutgers northwestern and vandy eventually get the ax
of the 65 teams, I think Rutgers should get the axe, first.

they had a great big east run, but it makes most sense to let them go by the wayside.
Posted by bamabaseballsec
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Posted on 2/11/23 at 5:46 pm to
Honestly they didn’t, they were horrible in the big east and were next on the chopping block after temple got the axe(pretty sure this was the only time a power conference kicked out a member)Then the raids happened before the big east had the chance to boot em. The few successful teams they had were in a big east that just lost vt Miami Pitt and cuse.
Posted by dstone12
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Posted on 2/12/23 at 7:29 am to
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Honestly they didn’t, they were horrible in the big east and were next on the chopping block after temple got the axe(pretty sure this was the only time a power conference kicked out a member)Then the raids happened before the big east had the chance to boot em. The few successful teams they had were in a big east that just lost vt Miami Pitt and cuse.


I agree. I would say 100% of all football fans are still scratching their heads about the b10 accepting them.

They still won the conference though.
It was more embarrassing to WVU to let Lou and Rutgers win. I think UCon won too.




Shameful.
Posted by bamabaseballsec
Member since Dec 2020
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Posted on 2/12/23 at 7:38 am to
I don’t know what p5 conference was first to expand acc(gt) I think, but Rutgers to the big ten easily ranks as the worst expansion move in college history. Delaney was scotch drunk when he made that decision
Posted by bamameister
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Posted on 2/12/23 at 8:22 am to
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We actually have a precedent to this…..The Big East.


The 12-team playoff might save them all. In fact, with 12 teams getting in it's going to bolster the best of the G5 as well. What's funny is when the Big 12 and Pac 12 start getting their conference champion in the 12 team dance more often than Oklahoma, the shorthorns, and USC. The truth is, with 12 teams, it's almost a guarantee.
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