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Posted on 12/8/11 at 12:57 pm to TigersOfGeauxld
Posted on 12/8/11 at 12:57 pm to TigersOfGeauxld
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Yeah, because what we have now is working so well.
Actually there's little correlation between tighter gun laws and lower murder rates. Canada has some of the loosest gun laws in the world and also one of the lowest murder rates. Brazil, on the other hand, has extremely strict gun laws and one of the highest murder rates.
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Posted on 12/8/11 at 12:57 pm to CNB
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Can you confirm it was a cop?
can you?
"Police Officer Shot on Virginia Tech's Campus, Gunman Sought"
Read more: LINK
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The shooter is not going to stop because of a sign
Apparently the shooter isn't going to stop if it's an obviously armed person LIKE A COP either.
Crazy person is crazy.
Look, don't get me wrong, I have several guns myself. But my point is that the solution to every shooting isn't "GIVE EVERY MORON A frickING GUN!!!"
The police are some of the most vehemently in favor of the gun laws.
Posted on 12/8/11 at 12:57 pm to AUnite
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You do realize that a lot of criminals acquire their guns illegally?
No way.
If you make something illegal, then people who want it will never be able to get it.
Just like drugs.
Posted on 12/8/11 at 12:58 pm to CNB
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Notice this happens the most at VT?
Nobody to blame but the school.
Moron.
Posted on 12/8/11 at 12:58 pm to Rebelgator
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So arm everyone? That'll help tons
Yes. It would.
Posted on 12/8/11 at 12:59 pm to ToesOnTheNose213
So we surrender all hope of an immediate response because "nobody would know" what to do? I don't buy that.
Posted on 12/8/11 at 12:59 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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can you?
"Police Officer Shot on Virginia Tech's Campus, Gunman Sought"
Yes. Now. 30 minutes later. The biggest source that it was a cop was Twitter. Time passes, new information comes along. Dumbass.
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"GIVE EVERY MORON A frickING GUN!!!"
Where did I say this?
Posted on 12/8/11 at 12:59 pm to 870Hog
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What you are suggesting would be mayhem and their would be even more shootings. Cops shoot people all the time wrongly identifying a weapon thinking they are in danger.
You are merely speculating and have absolutely nothing to back this up with.
Take an honest look at statistics involving concealed handgun permit holders. What you are claiming simply does not happen in reality.
And using cops as an example isn't very smart- since you are basically agreeing that having more police on campus will not help. And you'd be correct.
Citizens are- and always have been- the real "first responders". As good as our emergency services are, they cannot operate until citizens make the first move.
Posted on 12/8/11 at 1:00 pm to I Love Bama
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You do realize that a lot of criminals acquire their guns illegally?
That's true in every country, too. The difference is, guns are harder to acquire, and the laws and penalties against using them are correspondingly stricter. You can't really argue with the results.
Violent crime in total, especially involving guns, is much lower per capita in every other civilized society on earth.
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If every student at Virginia Tech had a gun some "badass" wouldn't go in there starting shite. The more guns the better.
You don't know that. On the surface, it sounds reasonable. But the facts are, unless you are specifically trained to deal with violence, most shy away from it.
I'd bet that hearing gunshots, most people with guns would do pretty much the same as people without them. Namely hunker down and hope to not get involved.
The best course, and it's backed by evidence from many disparate societies around the globe, is that stricter laws against gun ownership and harsher penalties for gun use, deter violence.
Posted on 12/8/11 at 1:00 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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Apparently the shooter isn't going to stop if it's an obviously armed person LIKE A COP either.
Crazy person is crazy.
Look, don't get me wrong, I have several guns myself. But my point is that the solution to every shooting isn't "GIVE EVERY MORON A frickING GUN!!!"
The police are some of the most vehemently in favor of the gun laws.
Well said.
Posted on 12/8/11 at 1:00 pm to QCC
Two dead now.
Posted on 12/8/11 at 1:01 pm to AUnite
They are reporting that there were more shots fired.
Posted on 12/8/11 at 1:01 pm to Rebelgator
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Rebelgator
Yes, but having those one or two is a better alternative than 30+ dying for no reason imo.
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WildTchoupitoulas
CNB is not saying to give every person a gun. He's saying that people who already have a CC license with their state, should be able to protect themselves on campus as well.
Posted on 12/8/11 at 1:01 pm to TigersOfGeauxld
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You don't know that. On the surface, it sounds reasonable. But the facts are, unless you are specifically trained to deal with violence, most shy away from it.
I'd bet that hearing gunshots, most people with guns would do pretty much the same as people without them. Namely hunker down and hope to not get involved
THIS THIS THIS THIS
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The best course, and it's backed by evidence from many disparate societies around the globe, is that stricter laws against gun ownership and harsher penalties for gun use, deter violence.
This not so much.
Posted on 12/8/11 at 1:02 pm to MSCoastTigerGirl
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They are reporting that there were more shots fired.
Yeah
I'm listening to their police scanner now.
Posted on 12/8/11 at 1:04 pm to Rebelgator
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THIS THIS THIS THIS
So your argument went from "everyone would go vigilante" to "hide, and hope not to get involved".
You are a hypocrite.
Posted on 12/8/11 at 1:04 pm to AUnite
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Yes, but having those one or two is a better alternative than 30+ dying for no reason imo.
I know, but we're playing hypotheticals here.
Say the one armed student gets shot though? What's that done other than possibly give the gunman another weapon?
Posted on 12/8/11 at 1:05 pm to Rebelgator
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Say the one armed student gets shot though? What's that done other than possibly give the gunman another weapon?
OH GOD! Not another weapon! Guess we better take guns away from cops too!
Posted on 12/8/11 at 1:06 pm to MSCoastTigerGirl
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Most people that I know that carry guns carry them because of criminals.
I carry one sometimes(not school)
I have one in my car at all times. I have a permit and license. Took me 90 days to get all the certification done(Memphis has strict gun laws) but In a situation such as a school shooting I wouldn't mind being armed, but at the same time when there isn't one human nature tells you that allowing access means people will abuse it,
Posted on 12/8/11 at 1:06 pm to Antonio Moss
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No way.
If you make something illegal, then people who want it will never be able to get it.
Just like drugs.
iseewhatyoudidthere.
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