re: Alabama QB Mac Jones has orchestrated arguably the best passing attack in CFB history

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Again, we can’t help it if your team of pussies opted out. Sounds like your team has the problem, not Bama’s.

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This is your dumb arse admitting that the competition is, in fact, weaker.

Thank you. I’m out.

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We played two more SEC teams during the regular season than we have ever before. Of course it was a full season.

Maybe you guys put more stock in playing the Sam Houston States and Portland States of the the world than you should.

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It's extremely funny when LSU fans try that "not a full season".

As if we need to add a FCS team and a crappy G5 team to make things complete.

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I want to know where they are in 3Down10’s holy grail of metrics, since we are comparing it to Georgia allegedly having the #6 defense in the country

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I don't know what 3rd was using, but Cincy is #31 in FEI's Total Offense, #23 in F+.

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And while we’re at it, where does Georgia rank in passing defense in that metric?

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Unfortunately, unlike SP+, FEI and F+ don't have a pass defense metric readily available. Which sucks.

Wow, this thread sure seems to have generated a bit of mad online.

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And while we’re at it, where does Georgia rank in passing defense in that metric?

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FEI Stats

Here are the FEI stats in total. It doesn't do passing only.

These are efficiency ratings. I personally like SP+ overall, but ESPN bought those part of the F+ a few years ago and put it behind a paywall. Happy for Bill, but frick you ESPN for that.

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FEI ratings (FEI) represent the per-possession scoring advantage a team would be expected to have on a neutral field against an average opponent. Offense ratings (OFEI) and defense ratings (DFEI) represent the per-possession scoring advantages for each team unit against an average opponent unit. FEI, OFEI, and DFEI ratings are based on a combination of opponent-adjusted results to date and preseason projections.

Net points per drive (NPD) is the difference between points scored per offensive drive and points allowed per opponent offensive drive. Net available yards percentage (NAY) is the difference between offensive available yards percentage and opponent offensive available yards percentage. Net yards per play (NPP) is the difference between drive yards per offensive play and drive yards allowed per opponent offensive play. Three different schedule strength ratings for games played to date are provided, based on current FEI ratings, representing the expected number of losses an elite team two standard deviations better than average would have against the given team's schedule (ELS), the expected number of losses a good team one standard deviation above average would have against the schedule (GLS), and the expected number of losses an average team would have against the schedule (ALS).

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"This is a normal, full season!"

"Of course kentucky isn't a top defense, you have to use statistics that adjust for the season being irregular!"

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Totally agree - and 3rd and I have discussed this a lot, but the lack of interconference games really makes it hard to do any sort of full, national statistics this season - even the advanced ones. There just aren't enough cross over data points.

The numbers in-conference, though, are about as complete as we'll ever get, since everyone played almost everyone else.

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Yep, I mostly only use them for conference rankings this year.

And while I wouldn't put much into the rankings between conferences, I'm sure they are still much better than the raw stats. There is still some adjustment being done, which is much better than none.

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Best. Season. Of. All. Time.

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This is bookmark material.

Downvoted.

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Thanks for the link.

I think the interesting thing with all of these is how impossible it is to get these perfect, no matter how much you try to account for

For example Tennessee and Mississipi State are both ranked far far lower offensively than Cincinatti, but Tennessee put up the same amount of points and State put up more

Not to say that those offenses are necessarily better, it just really is impossible

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I did opponent adjusted stats for a few years back in 2008-2012. Very similar to SP+. Then stats needed to do those things were no longer free, and SP+ was filtering out garbage time, so now I just look at SP+(F+ now because ESPN)

It is impossible to ever get right because of limited data points. The more limited, the worse it is. I like to think of them as being like trying on different pairs of glasses. When it's early in the season and the data points are limited, it's like looking at things and it's a very blurry picture. As more and more data points come in, the picture gets more and more clear and the stats become accurate.

As SOG mentioned, this year the SEC is kind of in it's own bubble. There are no data points between the SEC and other conferences until this bowl week. And it's the same for the other conferences mostly as well. So I think it's a bit more blurry this year than ever, BUT, when it comes to comparing SEC teams against each other, it's more clear than ever.