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re: "50/50 run/pass is NOT balanced" - Leach
Posted on 10/2/20 at 5:22 am to megiddo
Posted on 10/2/20 at 5:22 am to megiddo
Obviously it’s more than just one class.
I’d guess if you looked at their 4 year talent composite they’d be a bit closer. Michigan state had a good class or two in 2015-16 but a lot of those kids ended up washing out - some for legal reasons - part of what ended up being dantonio’s downfall. Otherwise msu typically recruits to a class in the 30s-40s nationally. His teams were sort of the defensive equivalent of leach’s. Super clunky on offense but could really play defense.
Anyway Michigan state was only a three point favorite at kickoff and ended up winning handily by over 20 points.
A disciplined defense with good tackling can stop leach. Now that being said, if he had 4-5 elite weapons at receiver and RB and a serviceable oline it could be a shooting match. But we’ve seen plenty of those in the SEC recently
I’d guess if you looked at their 4 year talent composite they’d be a bit closer. Michigan state had a good class or two in 2015-16 but a lot of those kids ended up washing out - some for legal reasons - part of what ended up being dantonio’s downfall. Otherwise msu typically recruits to a class in the 30s-40s nationally. His teams were sort of the defensive equivalent of leach’s. Super clunky on offense but could really play defense.
Anyway Michigan state was only a three point favorite at kickoff and ended up winning handily by over 20 points.
A disciplined defense with good tackling can stop leach. Now that being said, if he had 4-5 elite weapons at receiver and RB and a serviceable oline it could be a shooting match. But we’ve seen plenty of those in the SEC recently
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Posted on 10/2/20 at 6:52 am to ScoggDog
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What's he running at Miss St ? Is it lateral stuff like flat and bubble screens, or more forward like shovels and slants ?
All of them, though I didn’t see many slants. He likes crossing routes
Posted on 10/2/20 at 6:54 am to dbuchanon
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The whole idea is about forcing the defense to defend every blade of grass.
This. Spread the defense out and read it and know your favorable 1 on 1 matchups. Lethal when you have plenty of reliable receivers and a good RB. However if there’s a weakness anywhere it can be stopped easily
Posted on 10/2/20 at 7:15 am to escatawpabuckeye
quote:Maybe, I guess.. and maybe not. They just knocked off a team loaded with raw talent. Not many SEC teams have that much D talent.
A disciplined defense with good tackling can stop leach.
quote:Among elite receivers and QBs, Leach will be a rock star in the 2020 and 2021 Transfer Portal.
Now that being said, if he had 4-5 elite weapons at receiver and RB and a serviceable oline it could be a shooting match.
quote:Not many where the QB throws it 50+ times a game. Every game. Opposing DB's have no leg strength by the middle of the 3rd quarter.
But we’ve seen plenty of those in the SEC recently
And let's see what Leach's pass game looks like in a month or so. Should be interesting when some timing and chemistry develops.
This post was edited on 10/2/20 at 7:45 am
Posted on 10/2/20 at 7:32 am to escatawpabuckeye
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A disciplined defense with good tackling can stop leach.
Couldn’t that stop any offense??
If you’re a running team, and a Defense maintains gap discipline and tackles well, you lose.
If you’re a passing team and the Ends keep contain and coverage is good and dbs tackle well, gonna be tough sledding
Every defense looks good on the chalkboard. Fatigue makes cowards of us all, you have mental lapses after running 70 plays and that’s all it takes for a score
This post was edited on 10/2/20 at 7:45 am
Posted on 10/2/20 at 7:44 am to rebelrouser
If Freeze can beat him, then Leach definitely can.
Of course, I don't know if Leach will be lucky enough to have his receivers catch passes deflected off a defender's helmet, have Bama fumble multiple kick-offs/punts, and all the other lucky breaks Freeze got in those two games.
Of course, I don't know if Leach will be lucky enough to have his receivers catch passes deflected off a defender's helmet, have Bama fumble multiple kick-offs/punts, and all the other lucky breaks Freeze got in those two games.
Posted on 10/2/20 at 7:50 am to Buckeye Jeaux
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Maybe, I guess.. and maybe not. They just knocked off a team loaded with raw talent. Not many SEC teams have that much D talent.
I mean, LSU is no doubt loaded with raw talent but they are anything but disciplined. They have a new coordinator and tons of new faces.
Michigan state by contrast - at least at that point - runs a program where they take underranked kids and build them up over 3-4 years with consistent excellent coaching. What they lack in measurables they made up for in fundamentals and toughness. It worked against Washington state and mike leach
Posted on 10/2/20 at 8:28 am to escatawpabuckeye
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Michigan state by contrast - at least at that point - runs a program where they take underranked kids and build them up over 3-4 years with consistent excellent coaching. What they lack in measurables they made up for in fundamentals and toughness. It worked against Washington state and mike leach
Luke Falk, Leach's 3-plus year starting QB, was ruled out with an injury the day before that Michigan State game.
Posted on 10/2/20 at 8:32 am to SidewalkTiger
Compared to their historical average they were outstanding.
Posted on 10/2/20 at 8:36 am to Buckeye Jeaux
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Buckeye Jeaux
^^^^LOL. Mississippi State sure made a believer out of this guy^^^^
Posted on 10/2/20 at 8:39 am to dbuchanon
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Every defense looks good on the chalkboard. Fatigue makes cowards of us all, you have mental lapses after running 70 plays and that’s all it takes for a score
Not every game will they manage 70 plays. Two or three three-and-outs to start a game, and you're already in a hole compared to what your own defense is going through.
That said, a lot of it also was because it took LSU way too long to find any kind of rhythm on offense. The talent disparity between LSU's offense and MSU's defense should have been enough alone to get some points early on, even with miscues, but instead LSU's first six drives were:
5 plays, 17 yards - punt
4 plays, 12 yards - punt
3 plays, -1 yard - punt
3 plays, -2 yards - punt (immediately after the defense forced a fumble)
8 plays, 84 yards - TD
3 plays, 0 yards - punt
A bit more ball control and a one good drive out of those 5 horrible ones, and that games goes a different way.
That had at least as much to do with LSU's defense being exhausted as State's offense. Despite having a talent advantage, LSU's offense was woefully unprepared.
Posted on 10/2/20 at 8:40 am to Gatorbait2008
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Do what you do well.
If a military academy throws for a pretty good clip in a game you can pretty safely guess they lost big. Like you said, do what brought you to the dance.
Briles kept running the ball between the tackles against Georgia and it kept getting stopped for little to no gain. Great. Now we are playing against one of the most talented defenses in the country and we've just thrown away one of our downs.
Posted on 10/2/20 at 8:44 am to BLG
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^^^^LOL. Mississippi State sure made a believer out of this guy^^^^
I love a wide-open passing offense, and Leach is the Master.
BTW, Gardner Minshew said, "To me it’s the best offense, the best offensive system in college football. To see it in the SEC finally is exciting."
Posted on 10/2/20 at 8:46 am to skrayper
Any offense can be knocked off schedule.
I’m saying the Air Raid by design is to tire a Defense by rolling WRs in the game with a high pitch count, making DBs run more than they’re used to. Big OL splits making the DEs run farther to get to the QB, vertical set pass pro making the big boys in the middle run more as well.
Leach makes his WRs run in sand to strengthen their joints to prepare them for the strain his offense will put on them during a season.
The Air Raid is meant to be a high speed aerial assault, and when it’s working it’s tough to stop.
Like any other offense :)
I’m saying the Air Raid by design is to tire a Defense by rolling WRs in the game with a high pitch count, making DBs run more than they’re used to. Big OL splits making the DEs run farther to get to the QB, vertical set pass pro making the big boys in the middle run more as well.
Leach makes his WRs run in sand to strengthen their joints to prepare them for the strain his offense will put on them during a season.
The Air Raid is meant to be a high speed aerial assault, and when it’s working it’s tough to stop.
Like any other offense :)
Posted on 10/2/20 at 8:53 am to MaroonNation
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Leach is a lawyer first and foremost. He knows what he is talking about
That sounds like something Clay Travis would say. Leach has a law degree and never practiced law. And he earned that degree almost 40 years ago. It has nothing to do with his acumen as a football coach. His masters in sports science is more relevant to his job
This post was edited on 10/2/20 at 8:55 am
Posted on 10/2/20 at 8:59 am to Buckeye Jeaux
He’s been saying this for years. People just have my really heard it in the mainstream. Same with his little index card and playbook it about 12 plays with tags
Posted on 10/2/20 at 8:59 am to lsufball19
The most impressive thing about Leach having a law degree is that he figured out halfway through law school that he wanted to do something other than practice law and he didn’t quit. I don’t know many people that would continue to put themselves through that hell when they knew they were going in a different professional direction.
Posted on 10/2/20 at 9:06 am to peepingcrxxms
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I don’t know many people that would continue to put themselves through that hell
It's really not that bad after the first year. Not sure if he ever took the bar exam, but that is definitely hell, especially for someone who doesn't have any intention of practicing
Posted on 10/2/20 at 9:11 am to escatawpabuckeye
I gave you three classes, 2014, 2015, and 2016, and Michigan State had a huge recruiting advantage over Wazzu in all 3. Those were the three years before that bowl game. So uh, what's this "one class" thing? Just admit you were wrong and move on. When Michigan State had a class around equal to Leach's team they lost in the Alamo Bowl.
And yes, if you have a much longer time to prepare to defend specifically against the Air Raid then you will likely have more success. That's no big secret.
And yes, if you have a much longer time to prepare to defend specifically against the Air Raid then you will likely have more success. That's no big secret.
This post was edited on 10/2/20 at 9:12 am
Posted on 10/2/20 at 9:12 am to peepingcrxxms
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The most impressive thing about Leach having a law degree is that he figured out halfway through law school that he wanted to do something other than practice law and he didn’t quit. I don’t know many people that would continue to put themselves through that hell when they knew they were going in a different professional direction.
Law school is an absolute piece of cake after the first year.
Shoot, my third year I only had classes M-W so I spent 5 nights a week at my family ranch in South Texas hunting and 2 nights a week in Austin for school from October 1 to mid February.
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