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re: 247: Former UGA player Jalen Carter subject of arrest warrant regarding tragic car crash
Posted on 3/1/23 at 4:21 pm to BilbeauTBaggins
Posted on 3/1/23 at 4:21 pm to BilbeauTBaggins
Meh. He'll cry on national TV and be praised by ESPN and ABC as a sensitive young black man with a bright future that just happened to make an immature decision.
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Posted on 3/1/23 at 6:42 pm to meansonny
I hope you stop commenting on this. It just makes us all look stupid.
Just responding on the extremely narrow element you seem to be feigning confusion about: it was 2:30a, where it’s dark except for headlights. It was people he knew. Irrespective is he was ahead, behind, side-by-side, fast, slow, drunk, sober, he either knew the car ran off the road or he knew the headlights/taillights were no longer in his field of vision.
Who knows if the law will find him accountable, but I sure as heck know I hold him responsible for choosing to be a reckless, selfish individual on a public road exhibiting a gross negligence for others whom he may have encountered or been interacting with.
It’s only by pure chance that no one else was killed as a result of either of the car drivers’ (and potentially passenger’s too) poor decisions to drink and drive, much less speed, much less race.
And just to complete my 2 cents: this is absolutely a black eye for UGA and a huge indictment confirming the culture of the program—this isn’t the first troubling incident. (A. Anderson, JDJ racing, RaRa). Whether it’s just the hubris of winning, Kirby, UGA Athletics Dept., UGA, the team’s player leaders, it really doesn’t matter: the program needs a deep re-assessment of priorities and values.
Just responding on the extremely narrow element you seem to be feigning confusion about: it was 2:30a, where it’s dark except for headlights. It was people he knew. Irrespective is he was ahead, behind, side-by-side, fast, slow, drunk, sober, he either knew the car ran off the road or he knew the headlights/taillights were no longer in his field of vision.
Who knows if the law will find him accountable, but I sure as heck know I hold him responsible for choosing to be a reckless, selfish individual on a public road exhibiting a gross negligence for others whom he may have encountered or been interacting with.
It’s only by pure chance that no one else was killed as a result of either of the car drivers’ (and potentially passenger’s too) poor decisions to drink and drive, much less speed, much less race.
And just to complete my 2 cents: this is absolutely a black eye for UGA and a huge indictment confirming the culture of the program—this isn’t the first troubling incident. (A. Anderson, JDJ racing, RaRa). Whether it’s just the hubris of winning, Kirby, UGA Athletics Dept., UGA, the team’s player leaders, it really doesn’t matter: the program needs a deep re-assessment of priorities and values.
This post was edited on 3/1/23 at 6:46 pm
Posted on 3/1/23 at 6:52 pm to Demosthenian
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the program needs a deep re-assessment of priorities and values.
I’m not talking shite here I’m being honest, the reality is football is a sport won by guys that are crazy mo fo’s. If you want to win, most of the time you need a lot of those guys.
Given that, I am going to guess he’ll end up paying some families off and pleading to a lesser crime. Unless there’s something much bigger out there. This is by no means excusable, but racing also takes 2 people and chances are it wasn’t only the female drivers idea to race.
Posted on 3/1/23 at 6:56 pm to momentoftruth87
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Much better than Tuscaloosa law enforcement
Sorry the Tuscaloosa PD doesn't charge people with crimes according to bitter internet users.
Posted on 3/1/23 at 7:51 pm to Demosthenian
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And just to complete my 2 cents: this is absolutely a black eye for UGA and a huge indictment confirming the culture of the program—this isn’t the first troubling incident. (A. Anderson, JDJ racing, RaRa). Whether it’s just the hubris of winning, Kirby, UGA Athletics Dept., UGA, the team’s player leaders, it really doesn’t matter: the program needs a deep re-assessment of priorities and values.
Good lord at this overreacting
Posted on 3/2/23 at 7:50 am to djsdawg
Get your priorities in order couch potato.
My UGA degree, tied to the reputation of the University as a whole, is much more valuable than a couple of sports trophies won by people that would hardly call themselves students, who are supported by a program that does little more than have a naming licensing agreement with the academic institution.
My UGA degree, tied to the reputation of the University as a whole, is much more valuable than a couple of sports trophies won by people that would hardly call themselves students, who are supported by a program that does little more than have a naming licensing agreement with the academic institution.
Posted on 3/2/23 at 8:13 am to BilbeauTBaggins
Was this the accident when the girl hit the power pole and apartment building?
Posted on 3/2/23 at 8:15 am to Tom Joad
Yes
Posted on 3/2/23 at 8:41 am to Demosthenian
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My UGA degree, tied to the reputation of the University as a whole, is much more valuable than a couple of sports trophies
Posted on 3/2/23 at 9:08 am to UT Beer Man
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I guess what I don't understand is how the Athens PD and DA are able to release all the details of the crash in depth as well as the nature of the charges and witness statements.
I've been credibly informed by Alabama commenters that you just have to "wait for the trial" because law enforcement does not release information to the public.
Should Athens be cleaning house in their law enforcement and DAs office for this gross negligence?
Why do they need to explain anything to the public anyway?
There is no blanket rule in place across every PD in every state in the country related to what they decide to disclose to the public related to a criminal investigation. A lot of it is their prerogative and multiple interrelated factors.
Posted on 3/2/23 at 9:14 am to Demosthenian
This is a sports forum dedicated primarily to football. After about 2 years beyond your undergraduate completion, nobody cares where you went to school.
The actions of foolish young people individually are not some grand indictment on a university of 300k living alumni.
Young people commit more stupid acts than older people. That’s not a new phenomena.
The actions of foolish young people individually are not some grand indictment on a university of 300k living alumni.
Young people commit more stupid acts than older people. That’s not a new phenomena.
Posted on 3/2/23 at 9:18 am to Pulpwood Patterson
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This is a sports forum dedicated primarily to football.
The actions of foolish young people individually are not some grand indictment on a university.
Young people commit more stupid acts than older people. That’s not a new phenomena.
So if I were to search your posting history, I won't find comments trashing the young Brandon Miller?
Posted on 3/2/23 at 9:24 am to BLG
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So if I were to search your posting history, I won't find comments trashing the young Brandon Miller?
I haven't been in those threads. He may be.
But this is the second accusation I've seen from Bama fans towards UGA fans regarding Miller.
Either the Bama fans making accusations like yours are the type of people who would rag on Auburn/LSU if Miller played for the tigers (and those Bama fans are projecting that the rest of the world are assholes like the roll tide nation is)
Or
Bama fans truly think the entire world revolves around Bama and can't comprehend that college football fans don't give a damn about the Miller situation.
Which one are you?
Posted on 3/2/23 at 9:28 am to BLG
No sir, you wouldn’t. I don’t live in Alabama, I don’t have any relatives who are in law enforcement or the judicial system in Tuscaloosa that Im aware of. Frankly I don’t know a lot of details about the case other than observing the comments of this board. I generally try to avoid that line of posting.
Now Im def prone to some off color mockery of Alabama the state but I was born there so I take a license.
Now Im def prone to some off color mockery of Alabama the state but I was born there so I take a license.
Posted on 3/2/23 at 11:06 am to Demosthenian
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My UGA degree, tied to the reputation of the University as a whole, is much more valuable than a couple of sports trophies won by people that would hardly call themselves students, who are supported by a program that does little more than have a naming licensing agreement with the academic institution.
The whole wildly overreacting thing, you are still doing it. No one is taking your degree away FYI.
Posted on 3/2/23 at 4:39 pm to Demosthenian
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this is absolutely a black eye for UGA
Nah.
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huge indictment confirming the culture of the program
Overreaction.
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the program needs a deep re-assessment of priorities and values.
Here come the moral police.
Posted on 3/2/23 at 4:42 pm to Demosthenian
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Demosthenian
I think I've found Jan Kemp.
Posted on 3/2/23 at 10:04 pm to SteelerBravesDawg
Jan did the right thing. Harrick set the program back insofar as basketball is not a booster focus and it remains not a point of pride for UGAAA. (AAU dynamic is its own thing). People distance themselves from what’s tainted, and that’s a loss for everyone.
“A few players”, when the issues are what UGA football faces today, IS a real reflection on program culture and enablement by those in charge. If there was any cover up, that’s literally a criminal offense (meaning our society as a whole, we’ll beyond the bounds of football, has deemed it outside the bounds of what’s even minimally tolerable behavior.)
If you can’t see that a culture of privilege, enablement, and lack of responsibility, that leads to crime and death, is toxic, and is therefore an indictment of the state of the program and the method of those in charge, and in turn the sheer fact of such lack of control and responsibility by the paid coaches and administrators within the program is a black eye for the university, there’s nothing more I can say to have you pull your head out of the sand: you’re just a willfully ignorant person with misplaced priorities.
Edit: Add: Kirby has a real opportunity to get in front of a mic and speak honestly about this as a leader of the program, and he has not done so. He has every ability to say “these accusations are not who UGA football is and we’re taking a deep look at what got us here, and doing something about it” without sharing anything that would indict those involved or taint the legal process.
And yet he has been silent.
“A few players”, when the issues are what UGA football faces today, IS a real reflection on program culture and enablement by those in charge. If there was any cover up, that’s literally a criminal offense (meaning our society as a whole, we’ll beyond the bounds of football, has deemed it outside the bounds of what’s even minimally tolerable behavior.)
If you can’t see that a culture of privilege, enablement, and lack of responsibility, that leads to crime and death, is toxic, and is therefore an indictment of the state of the program and the method of those in charge, and in turn the sheer fact of such lack of control and responsibility by the paid coaches and administrators within the program is a black eye for the university, there’s nothing more I can say to have you pull your head out of the sand: you’re just a willfully ignorant person with misplaced priorities.
Edit: Add: Kirby has a real opportunity to get in front of a mic and speak honestly about this as a leader of the program, and he has not done so. He has every ability to say “these accusations are not who UGA football is and we’re taking a deep look at what got us here, and doing something about it” without sharing anything that would indict those involved or taint the legal process.
And yet he has been silent.
This post was edited on 3/2/23 at 10:15 pm
Posted on 3/2/23 at 10:39 pm to Demosthenian
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“A few players”, when the issues are what UGA football faces today, IS a real reflection on program culture and enablement by those in charge.
A few out of 100+ is not a lot.
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If there was any cover up,
Dont be an idiot and entertain this idea.
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program is a black eye for the university
The way you are talking is well beyond a black eye.
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Kirby has a real opportunity to get in front of a mic and speak honestly about this as a leader of the program, and he has not done so
“The charges announced today are deeply concerning, especially as we are still struggling to cope with the devastating loss of two beloved members of our community,” Smart said in a statement posted by Ian Rapoport. “We will continue to cooperate fully with the authorities while supporting these families and assessing what we can learn from this horrible tragedy.”
Posted on 3/2/23 at 10:49 pm to djsdawg
Kirby’s “statement” you cite and that I’ve seen is standard crisis management drawn up by a UGA attorney. Both of us know that is not what a real leader would settle for or hide behind.
Until he gets in front of a mic and says this from his own heart, or answers questions, or at the very least fields Q&A and shares his body language on the matter before stating “no comment”, color me unimpressed.
This is his program right? He demanded the keys to the castle with his hiring: 60+ staff roster, helicopter travel, and $30mm+ annual recruiting budget to do his job. What it takes to win right?
What does it take to demonstrate you’re a leader of men? That you’re someone to be trusted with the values of a school, and therefore the program? I think it takes personal accountability for what you, as said leader, owe as far as answers, and what you owe as far as leading change.
Waiting to see it.
Until he gets in front of a mic and says this from his own heart, or answers questions, or at the very least fields Q&A and shares his body language on the matter before stating “no comment”, color me unimpressed.
This is his program right? He demanded the keys to the castle with his hiring: 60+ staff roster, helicopter travel, and $30mm+ annual recruiting budget to do his job. What it takes to win right?
What does it take to demonstrate you’re a leader of men? That you’re someone to be trusted with the values of a school, and therefore the program? I think it takes personal accountability for what you, as said leader, owe as far as answers, and what you owe as far as leading change.
Waiting to see it.
This post was edited on 3/2/23 at 10:54 pm
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