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re: 2019 LSU vs 2021 Georgia
Posted on 8/30/22 at 12:26 pm to CatBBN
Posted on 8/30/22 at 12:26 pm to CatBBN
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LSU. There wasn’t much weakness on Georgia’s defense last year but their corners would have had a hard time with Jefferson and Chase
Exactly. What Ga. fans failed to realize is that Jefferson was in the slot most of the time. And there is no way in hell your 3rd best CB would be able to stop that.
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Posted on 8/30/22 at 12:26 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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I think that if we ran an entire series with both Metchie and Williams on the sidelines of any of the 6 games I brought up that I'd be ready to put BoBs head on a stick.
It’s not with both of them out, it’s just one of them. Read the quote again
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According to ESPN Stats and Info, entering the national title game on Monday, Alabama had run just 29 offensive plays all season without both Williams and Metchie on the field when the score was within 21 (the condition helps mitigate the factor of garbage-time snaps).
There’s no reason you can’t put Holden, Hall or Brooks in for a series along with one of Williams or Metchie when you’re up like 7-14 points.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 12:27 pm to DawginSC
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That's nice. Bennett had 11 4th quarter pass attempts in the regular season last year. 2 of them were in a game he wasn't the starter in.
Uh, alright. Cool. No clue what that has to do with anything at all.
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Stat padding isn't really the right explanation. The reality is Bama was in close games where Young had to play 4 quarters. Bennett left most games after 3 quarters and some after only 2... because UGA stomped their regular season opponents.
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Posted on 8/30/22 at 12:27 pm to DawginSC
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I like UGA's set up overall because 2019 was based on an elite QB (Burrow)... while UGA's success was not based on a single elite player.
There were a few other elite players on that 2019 LSU offense. You may have heard of a few of them.Posted on 8/30/22 at 12:30 pm to diddlydawg7
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There’s no reason you can’t put Holden, Hall or Brooks in for a series along with one of Williams or Metchie when you’re up like 7-14 points.
Again, Brooks did his job. He was very good, made huge plays and clutch plays in big games - game tying TD vs Auburn, put the game away vs Cincinnati. He stepped up. He did the same sort of stuff AD Mitchell did for y'all.
Holden had games where he played a bunch of snaps (26 vs Miami, 20 vs Mercer, 18 vs OM, 18 vs State, 28 vs Tennessee, 21 vs NMSU). And he's a 3rd year guy. The problem is that Holden/Brooks are similar players - neither is going to scare you over the top. I think Holden played a solid game against UGA, he just wasn't a threat when combined with another possession type guy. Georgia's DBs sat down on him and Brooks and smothered them.
Which is why Hall was the key. He had the ability to be a threat, but he wasn't ready for it. And he wasn't ready for it because he hadn't been prepared for it - his fault/coaches fault/bad eval fault, whatever the reason.
This post was edited on 8/30/22 at 12:32 pm
Posted on 8/30/22 at 12:33 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Correct
That stat I posted is not normal. In fact it’s unprecedented. No other team has relied on two WRs like Bama did, regardless of score.
Even if Bama won every game by one point it would be ridiculous to play the other one’s as little as y’all did.
Basically your argument is that Bama couldn’t afford to play anyone else. The benefits of letting the younger guys play more when you’re up a score or two far outweigh the risks.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 12:35 pm to diddlydawg7
Again, other guys played. And other guys played to the best of their abilities I think. The issue was Holden/Brooks can't separate when the focus is on them, and the only guy with that skill once Jameson went down was Hall (since Earle was also hurt). And he was a headcase.
It is what it is - depth, eval misses, etc.
It is what it is - depth, eval misses, etc.
This post was edited on 8/30/22 at 12:36 pm
Posted on 8/30/22 at 12:35 pm to meansonny
No one is making excuses. We are trying to tell someone who didn’t watch any of our games that we had to play air raid almost till the end of 80% of our games because we couldn’t get up early and cruise. It wasn’t stat padding. It was trying to win the games. If we would have played backups or started running earlier we probably lose 3 or 4 games. We did what we had to do to win and in the end it bit us in the arse in the NC when most of our offense went down. That is why Georgia was the better team and won the NC. They played better through out the year which allowed them to build better depth for when it was needed. We didn’t have that luxury which cost us. No one is trying to make excuses for why we lost. We are simply trying to say your comparisons aren’t apples to apples and that 2019 LSU would score at almost will on 2021 UGA.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 12:36 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Again, Brooks did his job. He was very good, made huge plays and clutch plays in big games - game tying TD vs Auburn, put the game away vs Cincinnati.
And he only played because Metchie got injured. You’re proving my point. These guys didn’t suck, Saban just wouldn’t play them.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 12:37 pm to BamaBy50
I don't know if this is a metric but I'd wager we had more offensive drives last year where the game was within one score than every season under Saban other than 2007.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 12:38 pm to dstone12
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One team is widely known as the best team of all time in college football.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 12:39 pm to TeamLSU
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Exactly. What Ga. fans failed to realize is that Jefferson was in the slot most of the time. And there is no way in hell your 3rd best CB would be able to stop that.
It depends on LSU's OL play. UGA's DB's often didn't have to cover very long last year because of QB pressure. A much bigger difference in the NC vs SECCG game was UGA's DL getting consistent pressure on Young vs Young's WR's. That's shown pretty easily by 0 sacks in the SECCG vs 4 in the NCG. Not sure why UGA didn't dial up pressure in the SECCG, but for whatever reason they didn't. They made the same mistake against OU in the Rose Bowl in 2017 but changed it up at half time and came back to win.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 12:39 pm to diddlydawg7
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And he only played because Metchie got injured.
He also played when Jameson got tossed against Auburn. And he did his job.
Your argument is that guys faultered because they didn't have game experience. Brooks didn't. Holden didn't.
The faltering was, quite frankly, down to Hall. His skillset was required, he wasn't ready, we lost. And his limited game snaps were due to his practice reps being poor, which only exacerbated his not being ready when he name was called.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 12:40 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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It is what it is - depth, eval misses, etc.
I can accept that but I still think Saban was stat padding. Like I said, unprecedented reliance on those 2 guys. And yes there were plenty of times where Metchie and Williams were playing when the game was essentially over.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 12:41 pm to NitsFan71
Georgia couldn’t even stop Bama last year with healthy receivers.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 12:42 pm to diddlydawg7
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I can accept that but I still think Saban was stat padding. Like I said, unprecedented reliance on those 2 guys. And yes there were plenty of times where Metchie and Williams were playing when the game was essentially over.
This is just dumb. I'm not sure what you guys don't understand about the fact that we simply did not even have the opportunity to "pad stats" in the majority of our games. Why is this so hard.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 12:43 pm to NitsFan71
I’d go with the team that didn’t get their arse kicked in the SEC championship.
Posted on 8/30/22 at 12:43 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Outside of 2007 it’s the only year I had zero expectations most of the year. We couldn’t close out games or put people away. Call it bad coaching, lost too much, no one buying into the system, whatever. We played losing football a lot and won a lot of games on raw talent and just not giving up. The team was extremely flawed. Instead of just taking the L and preparing guys for 2022 we played to win in 2021 and damn near won it all. The SECCG, the heisman, and playing for the natty was way past my expectations for that team
Posted on 8/30/22 at 12:43 pm to diddlydawg7
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still think Saban was stat padding
We'll just have to agree to disagree here. I think there's some merit to not having other guys ready, but I don't think that was the issue. I think not trusting guys from practice was the issue, and sometimes you might just have to throw them out there and let them figure it out regardless of your thoughts on practice performance.
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plenty of times where Metchie and Williams were playing when the game was essentially over
Diddly, there weren't plenty of times when our games were essentially over period.
That was the biggest difference in last year and every other year. And honestly, Saban probably didn't adjust to it well. He's had a pretty reliable system over the years but that system does include us being up by 24+ at the start of the 4th in 90% of our games. The whole "how much trust do you need to play in a close game" seesaw probably needed to move towards less of it last year. We had to accept more risk than usual. Don't think he did.
Saban isn't against taking a risk, but in general, he wants a system where he had to take as few risks as he can. That's one of the reasons we're so consistent. However, last year was probably a year where we needed to take a few more risks with that sort of personal stuff.
This post was edited on 8/30/22 at 12:47 pm
Posted on 8/30/22 at 12:44 pm to topcat88
LSU probably favored by about 10 I believe. That’s if we are talking both teams at full strength and how they were playing when the playoffs rolled around.
It would be close, but in the end Chase and Jefferson probably couldn’t be contained forever.
It would be close, but in the end Chase and Jefferson probably couldn’t be contained forever.
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