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re: 1992 Expansion Question
Posted on 6/27/15 at 3:49 pm to Korin
Posted on 6/27/15 at 3:49 pm to Korin
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There's so much wrong with this post. I'll let someone else take care of it.
Why bother? A retard in action there.
Let me get this straight. If you have to play a game (supposing that were true), it's not really tough, it's just a walk in the part, I guess or something. Just, wow. Even if you finish ranked, if you don't meet some clown's criteria, it doesn't count? Why measure teams at all. Let's just let our perceptions be dictated by ignorant who claim they know it all. Sheesh.
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Posted on 6/27/15 at 4:03 pm to boxedlunch
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Let me get this straight. If you have to play a game (supposing that were true), it's not really tough
Go back to the original concept.
I gave BB credit for being a good coach
I gave BB credit for playing Gators and Canes (and credit for the games he won)
Where Korin and I have gone round and round is if he could have the same records with those teams as he had in the ACC. My point was moving from the ACC to the SEC would mean picking up a loss or two each year. This is still damn good but that extra loss or two would be what cost him a shot at a Natty or a Top 5 ranking at season end.
In short,
BB playing ACC schedule is a Top 5 to Top 10 coach
BB playing SEC schedule may be just a Top 10 to Top 25 coach
Is this any clearer?
Posted on 6/27/15 at 8:54 pm to Cheese Grits
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Go back to the original concept.
I gave BB credit for being a good coach
I gave BB credit for playing Gators and Canes (and credit for the games he won)
Where Korin and I have gone round and round is if he could have the same records with those teams as he had in the ACC. My point was moving from the ACC to the SEC would mean picking up a loss or two each year. This is still damn good but that extra loss or two would be what cost him a shot at a Natty or a Top 5 ranking at season end.
In short,
BB playing ACC schedule is a Top 5 to Top 10 coach
BB playing SEC schedule may be just a Top 10 to Top 25 coach
Is this any clearer?
What is clear is that you don't want to stand up for what you said when you now know it to be ridiculous. You made the claim that Florida State was not great because their schedule was inferior. That's ludicrous. Florida State played a top 2 schedule in the 90s and still won more than anybody. You then sought to discredit the games they played apparently because you think they were "mandated", or some of the teams don't meet your dubious standard. How that means Florida State wasn't great because they beat them is beyond me. You even tried to discredit their bowls, as if going 8-2 against all top 10 teams somehow makes them "good not great".
On the complete tangent that you're not trying to spin to, the average SEC team played less than 3.5 ranked teams a year against conference teams in the 90s. Florida State played 2 a year. Considering that Florida was ranked all those years and would no longer be non-conference, if FSU played the average number of ranked opponents, they'd increase the number of ranked opponents per year by less than half a game a year. This "one or two games a year" is as big of a figment of your imagination as the "good not great" comment it.
This post was edited on 6/27/15 at 9:01 pm
Posted on 6/28/15 at 5:28 am to randomways
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Interesting summary from SDS
That's a pretty good summary.
Since the early '70's, Frank Broyles had been flirting with the idea of Arkansas leaving the SWC. Just waiting for the right opportunity to present itself, he was dead set and ready to roll. So were most of our fans.
Posted on 6/28/15 at 8:29 am to Porky
people don't realize that the SEC chant started out as a taunt against arkansas by our southwest conference foes as we struggled with jack crowe in our last two seasons in the SWC.
Posted on 6/28/15 at 9:10 am to tedmarkuson
Barnhill South had a deafening S-E-C chant going as the SWC crowned their champion our final year.
Posted on 6/28/15 at 9:40 am to boxedlunch
FSU played a top 2 schedule on the 90's? Can I get some proof or a link or something.
Posted on 6/28/15 at 9:55 am to Porter Osborne Jr
https://www.cfbtrivia.com/cfbt_records.php?fry=1990&thy=1999&yrk=on&sortby=GP&allop=1&cres=1
This post was edited on 6/28/15 at 9:56 am
Posted on 6/28/15 at 11:25 am to Korin
I'm on my phone. How does that break down their schedules?
Posted on 6/28/15 at 12:40 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
We were the only program who played more end-of-season ranked teams in the 90s than FSU.
Posted on 6/28/15 at 1:01 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
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FSU played a top 2 schedule on the 90's? Can I get some proof or a link or something.
They were top 2 in ranked opponents played. They were top 1 in top 10 opponents played. They were top 1 in opponents' winning percentage. They were top 2 in the BCS strength of schedule measure. Someone would have to convince me with solid evidence they were at least top 3.
Posted on 6/28/15 at 1:43 pm to GetCocky11
This is how it shook out.
Most people look it through the lens of the present and miss how it actually happened.
There wasn't set goal to only add two teams. Divisions weren't set up yet. They might have added 4 if there had been 4 willing participants.
Texas, Arkansas and Florida State were the primary targets.
Most people look it through the lens of the present and miss how it actually happened.
There wasn't set goal to only add two teams. Divisions weren't set up yet. They might have added 4 if there had been 4 willing participants.
Texas, Arkansas and Florida State were the primary targets.
Posted on 6/28/15 at 1:43 pm to tedmarkuson
That isn't accurate.
UGA fans chanted it at the 1991 Independence Bowl. I was there.
UGA fans chanted it at the 1991 Independence Bowl. I was there.
Posted on 6/28/15 at 8:01 pm to wmr
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That isn't accurate.
UGA fans chanted it at the 1991 Independence Bowl. I was there.
If I remember correctly, you and Ted are both correct. Our SWC foes would mock us and UGA did it as well.
Posted on 6/28/15 at 8:50 pm to reel_gator8
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WRONG. The SEC has never really been interested in the Univ of New Jersey @ Coral Gables. First of all...a small private school with no stadium of its own, no $$ in its bank account and very poor attendance with non revenue sports almost never attended and not funded. The school is located in Miami Fl...have any of you been there in the last 15 years? Graffitti on walls, trash cans overturned at condos, bulletproof glass everywhere, two armed guards at a lot of Publix supermarkets. Its a sewer hole. The current language is NewYorkese and Columbianadrug. Go to Liberty City...very scarey in daylight and at night suicidal.
I knew I'd get thrashed for saying that and I honestly don't remember the details, but I do remember them being in the conversation. I'm glad we never offered them, though.
Posted on 6/28/15 at 8:51 pm to tkeefer
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Those two seasons came after Arkansas announced it was leaving. At the time of the announcement Ark was coming off back to back SWC championships.
And let's not forget how those two years were sandwiched between six TAMU titles and one tu title.
The SWC was always a two team league but it wasn't always Texas and Arkansas. Far from it. While Texas was just about always in the mix, Araknsas wasn't. In fact, after UH joined they kicked some serious arse and were in the mix more so than Arkansas was. In fact, prior to Arkansas winning the league '88, when was their previous title? It had been a while.
Posted on 6/28/15 at 10:10 pm to The Balinese Club
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The SWC was always a two team league but it wasn't always Texas and Arkansas. Far from it. While Texas was just about always in the mix, Araknsas wasn't.
'The Mix' from 1960-1991:
From the 1960 season until leaving the SWC, Arkansas finished within the top two (in SWC football) in 17 of those 32 seasons. Texas finished within the top two in 18 of those 32 seasons.
During the same time period, A&M had 8 seasons finishing within the top two. SMU had 7. Baylor and Houston had 5 each. Texas Tech had 4. Rice and TCU had 0.
This post was edited on 6/29/15 at 12:20 am
Posted on 6/29/15 at 7:14 am to Porky
Thanks for proving my argument.
You might also want to note that UH was only in the SWC from 1977 on. So, when they weren't the champions they were second place 5 times. Wow! They sure kicked Araknsas aside after they joined.
And yes, TAMU was nothing special from 1960-1985. I didn't say they were.
You might also want to note that UH was only in the SWC from 1977 on. So, when they weren't the champions they were second place 5 times. Wow! They sure kicked Araknsas aside after they joined.
And yes, TAMU was nothing special from 1960-1985. I didn't say they were.
Posted on 6/29/15 at 8:52 am to The Balinese Club
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You might also want to note that UH was only in the SWC from 1977 on. So, when they weren't the champions they were second place 5 times. Wow! They sure kicked Araknsas aside after they joined.
You might want to ask your father what happened back then. Arkansas owned Houston too.
Ark. vs. Houston 1977-1991
Listen, Arkansas was far and away the most appealing team from the SWC not named Texas during the expansion talks in the late 80s. Football was far and away the money maker like it is today and Arkansas and Texas were the only teams that were consistent winners. total wins 1950-1989It also helped that Nolan's basketball Hogs were starting to roll and the baseball team had been to the CWS in 79-85-87-89.
#dropsmicrophoneandthrustspelvis3times
This post was edited on 6/29/15 at 9:27 am
Posted on 6/29/15 at 9:32 am to The Balinese Club
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You might also want to note that UH was only in the SWC from 1977 on. So, when they weren't the champions they were second place 5 times. Wow! They sure kicked Araknsas aside after they joined.
Here's our record against Houston.
...since they kicked us aside and all.
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