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Hypothetical - Mizzoo and their potential
Posted on 9/6/13 at 2:42 pm
Posted on 9/6/13 at 2:42 pm
Let me use plain English. This is a "what if" scenario.
Let's say petrino continues to coach at an elite level, and pinkel doesn't make the cut. Pretend further that petrino was hired there. There is no question that he would win games. My question is this: Does mizzou have the capacity to really lock down KC and STL? I think they do. If petrino and strong can be so successful at Louisville, I think you could have just as much success, potentially, at Mizzoo. Is Mizzoo a sleeping giant?
Thoughts?
Let's say petrino continues to coach at an elite level, and pinkel doesn't make the cut. Pretend further that petrino was hired there. There is no question that he would win games. My question is this: Does mizzou have the capacity to really lock down KC and STL? I think they do. If petrino and strong can be so successful at Louisville, I think you could have just as much success, potentially, at Mizzoo. Is Mizzoo a sleeping giant?
Thoughts?
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Posted on 9/6/13 at 2:44 pm to BigEdLSU
Posted on 9/6/13 at 2:45 pm to BigEdLSU
Pinkel won't be fired. Mizzou is gonna have a really good year.
Posted on 9/6/13 at 2:49 pm to BigEdLSU
Mizzou can lock the state down with some good seasons and coaching. The state has been pretty safe for Mizzou until recently. The major Missouri recruits we've lost in the past haven't fit into the offensive scheme. (Montee Ball comes to mind)
Petrino will never be asked to come to Mizzou. There's a dedication to making the SEC work, but we can't go from clean to scumbag program that quickly.
Petrino will never be asked to come to Mizzou. There's a dedication to making the SEC work, but we can't go from clean to scumbag program that quickly.
Posted on 9/6/13 at 2:51 pm to Mizzeaux
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There's a dedication to making the SEC work, but we can't go from clean to scumbag program that quickly.
Come OOOOOOOON.
We did it.
EDIT: And it's paying off.
This post was edited on 9/6/13 at 2:52 pm
Posted on 9/6/13 at 2:57 pm to BigEdLSU
The real question is whether KC and STL can be the core recruiting grounds of a top-tier SEC team. I don't think so. They'd have to find some other source to supplement it. That source has historically been Texas... specifically (north-)eastern Texas, where they're fighting Texas, Texas A&M, LSU, TCU, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Arkansas. They'd have to make a huge leap up in national prestige and put some really good guys in the pros before they could start picking up enough talent from Texas to be a top-tier team.
So no, they're not a sleeping giant. Their ceiling is higher than Louisville's, but Louisville's ceiling in the SEC is probably about where Kentucky's is (which was the floating-around-.500 years of the mid/late 2000s), so that's not saying much. I'd say they're middle of the pack at best.
So no, they're not a sleeping giant. Their ceiling is higher than Louisville's, but Louisville's ceiling in the SEC is probably about where Kentucky's is (which was the floating-around-.500 years of the mid/late 2000s), so that's not saying much. I'd say they're middle of the pack at best.
Posted on 9/6/13 at 3:04 pm to lsutothetop
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They'd have to find some other source to supplement it.
They have it in their grasp. They are the north most SEC team for crying out loud!!
Go RAID Ohio, Chicago, heck the entire B1G footprint and sell playing a more exciting version of football on a bigger stage!
Too bad it will take Mizzou two or three coaches to figure that out, as one fails after another trying to mine a Florida that is already saturated with SEC teams.
Posted on 9/6/13 at 3:07 pm to cardboardboxer
Same problem; they'd be fighting the B1G bads for those recruits. With that said, if they managed to become even the #2 option in Illinois/Ohio, they'd be a really serious threat
Posted on 9/6/13 at 3:09 pm to BigEdLSU
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Mizzoo
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potential
Does not compute
Posted on 9/6/13 at 3:09 pm to cardboardboxer
I guess. Mizzou made some pretty decent teams out of getting the hidden three star gems out of Texas that fit in well with the offensive scheme.
Pinkel and staff have made it very clear they have their own manner of grading recruits that has little to do with star rankings, and it worked fairly well for them until recently with the shift from Texas to the southeast.
That being said, will we ever be a real dynasty program or even potential Big 6 within the next few decades? Not likely, but competing for the division and making some appearances in Atlanta would be nice in the short/mid term.
I think it's a matter of getting a system in place that will allow Mizzou to win some recruiting battles in the talent rich southeast while supplementing with Midwest/Texas talent. The program is clean, it's got a track record of graduating players and having great APR rates, and has been pretty successful in developing NFL talent as well. Whoever gets the shot to be the next Mizzou head coach will certainly have a nice foundation to build upon.
Pinkel and staff have made it very clear they have their own manner of grading recruits that has little to do with star rankings, and it worked fairly well for them until recently with the shift from Texas to the southeast.
That being said, will we ever be a real dynasty program or even potential Big 6 within the next few decades? Not likely, but competing for the division and making some appearances in Atlanta would be nice in the short/mid term.
I think it's a matter of getting a system in place that will allow Mizzou to win some recruiting battles in the talent rich southeast while supplementing with Midwest/Texas talent. The program is clean, it's got a track record of graduating players and having great APR rates, and has been pretty successful in developing NFL talent as well. Whoever gets the shot to be the next Mizzou head coach will certainly have a nice foundation to build upon.
Posted on 9/6/13 at 3:10 pm to lsutothetop
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they'd be fighting the B1G bads for those recruits.
Remember Bret's comments? B1G recruiting is a cakewalk. Any half-decent SEC son-of-a-bitch could clean up.
Just do what A&M did Mizzou- sell the SEC brand. Your brand sucks, just like ours. You came into the SEC for a reason, use it!
Posted on 9/6/13 at 3:13 pm to lsutothetop
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The real question is whether KC and STL can be the core recruiting grounds of a top-tier SEC team. I don't think so. They'd have to find some other source to supplement it. That source has historically been Texas... specifically (north-)eastern Texas, where they're fighting Texas, Texas A&M, LSU, TCU, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Arkansas. They'd have to make a huge leap up in national prestige and put some really good guys in the pros before they could start picking up enough talent from Texas to be a top-tier team.
I agree and disagree. Mizzou would absolutely have to supplement, but then nearly every team does. Hell, A&M and UF supplement with kids outside of their states and they are arguably the states with the most D1 talent. However, I do think there is enough talent coming out of Missouri to form the base of a recruiting class every year, ESPECIALLY if you include the surrounding area such as East St. Louis.
For example, looking at the 2015 class on 247, which is in its infancy, Mizzou theoretically could have a foundation of:
Beckner Jr. 5* DE
Strong 4* RB
Lock 4* QB
Ofodile 4* WR
Hentges 4* DE
Doherty 4* ATH
Williams 4* RB(who is all but going to Arkansas as I hear)
Not sure who else is out there, but if you were to land all those kids, a handful more 3* from Missouri and then fill it in with a player or two from kansas, Tennessee, Texas, Florida, Georgia and wherever else, you would have a pretty solid class. Problem is, Mizzou landing each and every one of the top prospects in state is not likely.
Posted on 9/6/13 at 3:15 pm to reedus23
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Problem is, Mizzou landing each and every one of the top prospects in state is not likely.
That is where the next coach will start.
Posted on 9/6/13 at 3:20 pm to cardboardboxer
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Come OOOOOOOON.
We did it.
EDIT: And it's paying off.
Hear, hear!
Posted on 9/6/13 at 3:20 pm to cardboardboxer
Missouri's in a weird situation where a good portion of these kids' parents are probably not Mizzou fans, or don't really follow with any real level of fanaticism. There's a lost generation of Mizzou football fans from the horrible decades of Mizzou football, and the kids those people had are now starting to trickle into the recruit pool.
Posted on 9/6/13 at 3:23 pm to Mizzeaux
Yeah but now you have the brand to sell. Make a splash hire and turn heads.
Posted on 9/6/13 at 3:24 pm to lsutothetop
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Same problem; they'd be fighting the B1G bads for those recruits. With that said, if they managed to become even the #2 option in Illinois/Ohio, they'd be a really serious threat
We'll never be the number 2 option in Ohio. tOSU will top the charts and UK has figured it out with their proximity. I doubt MU would even pass UK in Ohio overall based on proximity alone.
Posted on 9/6/13 at 3:28 pm to BigEdLSU
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Make a splash hire and turn heads.
I don't disagree with this sentiment.
Posted on 9/6/13 at 3:29 pm to BigEdLSU
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Yeah but now you have the brand to sell. Make a splash hire and turn heads.
Exactly!
You think Mizzou has it bad? Every kid with football talent in our state, outside some offensive linemen, grew up with Texas as their favorite college team. We were a joke, a den of weird white military racists.
Now we are THE only access in the state to play in the Pre NFL, aka the only league that matters.
How did we get there? Well not by touting graduation rates to parents. We got there by playing exciting football and riding some SEC dick as hard as possible.
And we went from 3 or 4th in our state for recruiting to picking the guys we want (for the most part LSU fans).
Mizzou can do it too.
This post was edited on 9/6/13 at 3:29 pm
Posted on 9/6/13 at 3:40 pm to cardboardboxer
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riding some SEC dick as hard as possible.
Sounds like the Aggie m.o.
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