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Mark my words... we will never EVER compete in the SEC by targeting mostly 3* athletes and signing the occasional 4*. We will be bottom feeders for life if that is our strategy. Signing only "kids that want to be here" does not translate into wins.

This isn't what I was trying to suggest at all. I was more criticizing Hugh Freeze for missing out on guys like Henderson and Genard Avery because he was too busy promising 5* kids that weren't gonna come here anyway that they were the only ones he was recruiting at that position. It pretty much never worked out, and we were consistently left at the altar on signing day without any sort of backup plan whatsoever. That was fricking stupid, but Freeze kept doing it

Obviously I want the best talent bagmen can buy, but when the money doesn't end up getting him to Oxford, I'd much rather us have a 3* backup plan from our feeder school, the University of South Panola, than some unranked kid out of Florida who we hope is a diamond in the rough but in all actuality will never see the field for us after we've converted him to linebacker then tight end then linebacker again


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Well said, and I agree.

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Mark my words... we will never EVER compete in the SEC by targeting mostly 3* athletes and signing the occasional 4*. We will be bottom feeders for life if that is our strategy. Signing only "kids that want to be here" does not translate into wins.

This isn't what I was trying to suggest at all. I was more criticizing Hugh Freeze for missing out on guys like Henderson and Genard Avery because he was too busy promising 5* kids that weren't gonna come here anyway that they were the only ones he was recruiting at that position. It pretty much never worked out, and we were consistently left at the altar on signing day without any sort of backup plan whatsoever. That was fricking stupid, but Freeze kept doing it

Obviously I want the best talent bagmen can buy, but when the money doesn't end up getting him to Oxford, I'd much rather us have a 3* backup plan from our feeder school, the University of South Panola, than some unranked kid out of Florida who we hope is a diamond in the rough but in all actuality will never see the field for us after we've converted him to linebacker then tight end then linebacker again


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Landmass
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This isn't what I was trying to suggest at all. I was more criticizing Hugh Freeze for missing out on guys like Henderson and Genard Avery because he was too busy promising 5* kids that weren't gonna come here anyway that they were the only ones he was recruiting at that position. It pretty much never worked out, and we were consistently left at the altar on signing day without any sort of backup plan whatsoever. That was fricking stupid, but Freeze kept doing it

Obviously I want the best talent bagmen can buy, but when the money doesn't end up getting him to Oxford, I'd much rather us have a 3* backup plan from our feeder school, the University of South Panola, than some unranked kid out of Florida who we hope is a diamond in the rough but in all actuality will never see the field for us after we've converted him to linebacker then tight end then linebacker again


I agree with you but we have swung to the opposite extreme. Luke doesn't try for any home runs unless they are local and already interested. You should have something in the middle, where you are going after the local interest but really shooting to get some big national recruits too. It's true that Hugh missed out on the really big fish without a good backup plan but earlier on, he was able to bring in talent on both sides. I have a feeling he would have corrected it if given time. That ship has sailed though.
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He never corrected losing out on Plan A and having a great plan B backup. We just forgave him in 2012 because he walked into a terrible situation morale wise. We had holes on both sides of the ball that were always big vulnerabilities; LB and OL more specifically.


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Henry Jones Jr
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I have a feeling he would have corrected it if given time
This. Freeze fired people he was close to so it's not like he wouldn't have had the balls to do so. He would have fired our DC after 2017 if he had still been here.

Again, if we fire Luke this season, we need to try and hire him back. It's the best thing for the program. The guy clearly can recruit even without bagmen. Look at his class at Liberty


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This. Freeze fired people he was close to so it's not like he wouldn't have had the balls to do so. He would have fired our DC after 2017 if he had still been here.

Again, if we fire Luke this season, we need to try and hire him back. It's the best thing for the program. The guy clearly can recruit even without bagmen. Look at his class at Liberty


Hey, if we could have another Ole Miss... where we fire Bjork and hire back Freeze and give it 5 years to compare against the Ole Miss with a Bjork and Luke as HC, ...I wonder which one would be better?

I'd put a million dollars down on the one with Freeze. Bjork screwed Freeze by not having any kind of compliance leadership in the athletic department. They hung Freeze out to dry. Compliance departments are there for two reasons:

1. Keep the program out of trouble.
2. Bury the hell out of anything that may get the program in trouble.

Bjork's leadership failed us on both accounts. Coaches are supposed to worry about coaching, not compliance. That is up to the athletic department to do.


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WithaRebelYell
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Liberty is about to demolish teams.


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I agree and then Freeze will tell us to piss off as he takes a bigger job.


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I agree and then Freeze will tell us to piss off as he takes a bigger job.
At this point, I might be a bigger Hugh Freeze fan than an Ole Miss fan.


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quote: I agree and then Freeze will tell us to piss off as he takes a bigger job.

At this point, I might be a bigger Hugh Freeze fan than an Ole Miss fan.


Sounds legit, I'll allow it


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TOFTR
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At the end of the day, Hugh Freeze essentially had close to a lifetime appointment as the head coach of our football program, and for reasons largely, if not completely, under his control, he’s no longer employed at a P5 school. Will he be again? Yes. Will it be soon? Probably yes? Should we like it? No. Should we wish him well? Also very much no.

If the dumb motherfricker hadn’t been so sloppy, we’d be pleased as punch. But that’s clearly not the case. If Dan Wolken, Pat Forde, and a Mississippi State fan blogger cause you to lose your job, it’s your own damn fault and it’s dumb to hold a pity party for someone who got chopped down by literally the weakest of axes. We should be smarter and be better and also have a fricking backup plan in positions of need so that we haven’t recruited ourselves into such a hole in the aftermath that WR is the only position where we consistently recruit to the standards set by the fans who clearly got fat under Freeze and don’t remember the rest of life being an Ole Miss Rebel


TOFTR
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Not to mention we wouldn’t ever have had Matt Luke running the program if Hugh hadn’t been so conceited to think no one would check his phone records. Without his frickups, we wouldn’t have Matt Luke. Our program’s current state is the direct product of Freeze’s hubris


Pilotreb
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Agreed. I would add this one caveat Bjork did not help fight the fight instead he insisted we bend over and take it. That was a major issue for me. We should have Auburned them and basically go 5th amendment and make it miserable for them to get anything. We acted like a plea deal and talking to the ops is always smart, right? Hell no, never make their case for them. I hope we now see how lienent they were, right and 5 years later? We have a law school trust me we could have made life a living hell for them and the threat of the death penalty ended when they gave into Auburn, North Carolina,and Miami.


Insideradvantage
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Many of our fans romanticize about Freeze because he was the coach during what was the best of times in some their football lives. But ultimately he handled things very stupidly and, though I wish him no ill will, I never want him back at Ole Miss, and I don't think I have anything to worry about.


TOFTR
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I agree we absolutely should’ve fought harder against the NCAA and that Bjork’s an idiot for ever considering ‘exemplary cooperation’ would ever be a viable method of working with them. However, it wasn’t even the NCAA that ultimately got Freeze fired. Even if we weren’t under investigation, his phone records probably still would’ve been FOIA’d because the fan blogger is a sad sack of shite who doesn’t have anything else going for him. Freeze being sloppy and being so arrogant to think he personally wouldn’t get caught using his university-issued phone for unscrupulous stuff is what ultimately got him the boot, but he also possibly could’ve survived if that had been the only issue. Too bad we were so bad, or, really, brazen more accurately at cheating under his regime
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Landmass
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Many of our fans romanticize about Freeze because he was the coach during what was the best of times in some their football lives. But ultimately he handled things very stupidly and, though I wish him no ill will, I never want him back at Ole Miss, and I don't think I have anything to worry about.


Because the role of a compliance department is to keep the coach out of trouble and to watch over things. Our compliance dept did not do their job. We act like that was all on Hugh Freeze but he is busy running a multi-million dollar organization. He was a scapegoat. He shouldn't have called hookers but as for compliance, that was not all on him.


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Landmass
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I agree we absolutely should’ve fought harder against the NCAA and that Bjork’s an idiot for ever considering ‘exemplary cooperation’ would ever be a viable method of working with them. However, it wasn’t even the NCAA that ultimately got Freeze fired. Even if we weren’t under investigation, his phone records probably still would’ve been FOIA’d because the fan blogger is a sad sack of shite who doesn’t have anything else going for him. Freeze being sloppy and being so arrogant to think he personally wouldn’t get caught using his university-issued phone for unscrupulous stuff is what ultimately got him the boot, but he also possibly could’ve survived if that had been the only issue. Too bad we were so bad, or, really, brazen more accurately at cheating under his regime


Calling hookers is an issue between him and his wife.

...and cheating? We weren't caught cheating. We were caught at stupid things like allowing players to hunt on land that they shouldn't. There was no pay for play or anything like that. Hell, one could argue that cheating is allowed given that MSU and LSU can pay for Leo Lewis and Auburn and MSU can pay for Cam Newton and that is ok... sleeping on a couch is a mortal sin, however.


Insideradvantage
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This tickles me... especially the last line. My Monday needed that.

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Calling hookers is an issue between him and his wife.

...and cheating? We weren't caught cheating. We were caught at stupid things like allowing players to hunt on land that they shouldn't. There was no pay for play or anything like that. Hell, one could argue that cheating is allowed given that MSU and LSU can pay for Leo Lewis and Auburn and MSU can pay for Cam Newton and that is ok... sleeping on a couch is a mortal sin, however.




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WithaRebelYell
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Does it freak anyone else out that we are getting out recruited by power house programs like Wake forest, Kansas, Illinios and Indiana?


Ole Colonel 27
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Fire Matt Luke. We could go 0-12 and probably won’t fire him because it would hurt his feelings.


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