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Posted on 10/2/14 at 7:59 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
well, i never said anything like that so don't get all bitchy
Posted on 10/2/14 at 8:01 am to Roger Klarvin
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If I could physically observe a man rise from the dead three days after being clinically determined to have died, I'll listen to pretty much anything he has to say. Same thing with a man who touches a paraplegic and suddenly he can walk again, or turns a couple loaves of bread and fish into enough food to feed thousands, etc.
It's why I've always said that if the gospels are true, what a lack of foresight God must have. Instead of having Jesus show up in a time where every miracle he performed could be viewed by a billion people on Youtube within minutes, and more importantly scientifically documented and confirmed, he has him show up in Iron Age Palestine and have stories of his miracles verbally passed on by homeless, illiterate jews and finally written down 30-70 years later by unidentified sources. To me, that in and of itself is evidence against the story being true.
The central tenant of the Christian belief is faith, that's kind of the point. Miracles are all around us if you just open your eyes to look for them. For me, it's not hard to see that God created all things, look at the human body for example.
Posted on 10/2/14 at 8:06 am to kywildcatfanone
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The central tenant of the Christian belief is faith, that's kind of the point. Miracles are all around us if you just open your eyes to look for them. For me, it's not hard to see that God created all things, look at the human body for example.
If the miracles are all around us then it wasn't intended to be an article of faith -- it would convince me right away if I saw a legitimate miracle (something outside of chance).
Like someone regrowing a limb. An eye spontaneously appearing. Really, anything.
Faith is a beautiful way of saying: "Don't question,", and one of the reasons that religion is becoming so untenable in a society that questions everything.
Posted on 10/2/14 at 9:29 am to KSGamecock
This article pretty much explains why members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints or those who are called "Mormons" or the religion labeled "Mormonism" believes it is the "right religion".
The True Church of Jesus Christ
I personally feel that true seekers of the truth, who believe there is a "God" or "higher being" must submit themselves to prayer and contemplation to recieve for themselves the answer. This should not be taken lightly and preconceived ideas should not be allowed to corrupt or influence their thoughts. Those people must humble themselves and prepare to truely listen to the answer their Heavenly Father has for them. He does listen and he will answer our prayers.
If you truely seek the truth you need only to knock...
The True Church of Jesus Christ
I personally feel that true seekers of the truth, who believe there is a "God" or "higher being" must submit themselves to prayer and contemplation to recieve for themselves the answer. This should not be taken lightly and preconceived ideas should not be allowed to corrupt or influence their thoughts. Those people must humble themselves and prepare to truely listen to the answer their Heavenly Father has for them. He does listen and he will answer our prayers.
If you truely seek the truth you need only to knock...
Posted on 10/2/14 at 9:29 am to kywildcatfanone
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Really, how do you know that?
The same way I know Scientology isn't real.
Posted on 10/2/14 at 9:45 am to Wild Thang
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So, what caused that to happen though? How did whatever caused this come to be?
If there was just nothing, where did something come from?
Where did whatever cause the BBT come from? How did it even exist?
Where did God come from? If we say he always existed, why not skip a step and say the universe always existed?
Saying God created the universe just adds an extra assumption.
Posted on 10/2/14 at 9:51 am to kywildcatfanone
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The central tenant of the Christian belief is faith, that's kind of the point. Miracles are all around us if you just open your eyes to look for them. For me, it's not hard to see that God created all things, look at the human body for example.
The human body is woefully inefficient, susceptible to damage, intolerant of the vast majority of environments on earth and has significant "design flaws" that are detrimental to survival. We have nonfunctional organs, vestigial structures, blood supplies and nerve innervations that make no sense if one were designing them, etc.
And no, there are not biblical miracles happening all around us. Surviving cancer and rising from the dead are not equivalent. Call me when prayer causes someone to regroup a limb.
Posted on 10/2/14 at 10:32 am to KSGamecock
Jesus was the orginal hipster. He was anti establishment, and would not conform to the main stream religion. Didn't have a bible; no need for it. His instructions were simple, and easy to follow. I am not sure why more main stream hippies don't follow him more.
Posted on 10/2/14 at 10:37 am to AUCE05
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Jesus was the orginal hipster. He was anti establishment, and would not conform to the main stream religion. Didn't have a bible; no need for it. His instructions were simple, and easy to follow. I am not sure why more main stream hippies don't follow him more.
There were plenty of people who weren't too fond of Rome, and even more of Persia. Plenty rebelled before Jesus existed, no matter how tongue in cheek your premise is.
Posted on 10/2/14 at 10:42 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Ummmm, he was anti Jew. Hence why they killed him. The Romans didn't care what religion their subjects were as long as taxes were paid.
Posted on 10/2/14 at 11:17 am to Roger Klarvin
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It's why I've always said that if the gospels are true, what a lack of foresight God must have. Instead of having Jesus show up in a time where every miracle he performed could be viewed by a billion people on Youtube within minutes, and more importantly scientifically documented and confirmed, he has him show up in Iron Age Palestine and have stories of his miracles verbally passed on by homeless, illiterate jews and finally written down 30-70 years later by unidentified sources. To me, that in and of itself is evidence against the story being true.
Be honest with yourself and everyone here. You could see a miracle right now on a video and you wouldn't believe it. Video or Scientific proof still requires some level of faith in something. People today see great things happen on video and explain it away. "Oh that's fake! I don't know how they did it but that video could have easily been fixed." What is scientific proof but some guy that has been labeled by some other guy or board of people saying that scientist is an expert, but to what end. Who says they have the authority or knowledge to make that claim.
The truth is that everything can not be explained definitively by our small minded understanding. We could not possibly fathom the immensity of knowledge that would be required for total understanding. Like school and training of all kinds this life is a process. It's a time for learning and growing and enduring. The learning will not stop in this life. We will continue to learn in our next life. It will benefit us to learn as much as we can here and now.
Our responsibility is to learn and practice what we learn, that is good. We all have been given the ability to choose for ourselves what we feel is right or wrong. We each have that light within us that lets us know what is good and what is evil. We have even been given a living example of how we should live our lives through the life of Jesus.
Whether you believe in him or not he is the standard in which we all should live. Research it! Muslim and Jewish alike believe he was an important and good person and a prophet even if they do not believe he is their Lord and Savior. The point is we do not become our best selves by tearing down or disproving people's personal beliefs. We do it by living a good life, doing good to and for others and helping others to do the same. By sharing our knowledge with others to better the world in which we all live.
Evil does exist and it is because people choose to do it. It does effect/affect all of us. We have been given the freedom to choose and it comes with all the consequences good and bad. (I'll give you an example and I'll get off my soap box. We may or may not hear this alot: A person is killed by a drunk driver and the family members or anyone hearing about it for that matter may say, "Why does God allow this to happen to such a good person?". It is not God's actions that made that happen. It is that individual's choice to drink and then drive when they were under the influence of Alcohol. Was God suppose to step in and take that person's agency to choose. If he did he'd be going against his own grand design.)
If you do believe in God then build a relationship with Him. Like a good father wants to know his son and talk to him and help him so too does our Heavenly Father (God). Pray to Him, read of Him, and follow Him.
Posted on 10/2/14 at 11:32 am to AUCE05
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Ummmm, he was anti Jew. Hence why they killed him. The Romans didn't care what religion their subjects were as long as taxes were paid.
And? I'm using examples of people, like Jesus, who rebelled against authority. Calling him the original hipster implies he was the exclusive figurehead to do so.
Never heard of Socrates, either, I see.
Posted on 10/2/14 at 11:38 am to BrocraticMethod
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That is something that has puzzled me really for as long as I've ever even thought to contemplate those kinds of questions. Physicists say that our universe is actually likely part of a larger "multiverse," and so some say that the Big Bang likely originated from another universe within that. But ok...like you said, what came before that? It seems like the answers just raise yet more questions. The more we learn about the universe and the nature of our existence, the more bizarre it all seems.
So all that is to say...I have no idea, and neither does anyone else. I won't criticize anyone for how they attempt to wrestle with those questions, or what belief system they dub the "best," so long as they show everyone else the same courtesy.
BINGO! Couldn't agree more!
Posted on 10/2/14 at 11:54 am to AUCE05
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Ummmm, he was anti Jew. Hence why they killed him. The Romans didn't care what religion their subjects were as long as taxes were paid.
Sounds like 'Murica.
Posted on 10/2/14 at 12:14 pm to AUCE05
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Didn't have a bible
He might disagree on this point.
Posted on 10/2/14 at 12:41 pm to KSGamecock
Two of those are basically one in the same, atheism and Satanism. The teaching of self worship, self indulgence and non-belief are synonymous.
Posted on 10/2/14 at 1:43 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Faith is a beautiful way of saying: "Don't question,",
Faith is the opposite of that actually.
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Posted on 10/2/14 at 1:51 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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This is where physics becomes a little tricky. There's really no reason for us to assume that there was ever a beginning -- since we can't measure nonexistence.
/mind: blown
Time is a flat circle
Posted on 10/2/14 at 2:40 pm to Roger Klarvin
Theories of Origin of the Universe are now in an unprecedented state of upheaval. It all must be very disquieting to those who were certain in the validity of the Big Bang assumptions. Assumptions that have been taught in our classrooms for years as "scientific fact".
Recent mathematical computations seem to eliminate that theory as a viable possibility.....Some respected scientists say they are "shocked" by this new data. Just goes to show that consensus is indeed invoked only in situations where the science is not solid enough....and that those who believe it have their own "faith"
(macro evolution....come on down)
Recent mathematical computations seem to eliminate that theory as a viable possibility.....Some respected scientists say they are "shocked" by this new data. Just goes to show that consensus is indeed invoked only in situations where the science is not solid enough....and that those who believe it have their own "faith"
(macro evolution....come on down)
This post was edited on 10/2/14 at 3:47 pm
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