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Posted on 12/29/13 at 8:02 pm to thesoccerfanjax
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The point is many Christians for some reason can't separate morality from God
To the Christian, God's Word provides the morality to live by.
Posted on 12/29/13 at 8:02 pm to thesoccerfanjax
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Semantics. The point is many Christians for some reason can't separate morality from God and/or their religion.
Who are you to say they have to separate their religion from morality?
Posted on 12/29/13 at 8:04 pm to Henry Jones Jr
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Just like a lot of conservatives think if you are tolerant of someone, you're a dirty tree hugging hippy
Progressives as a whole are way worse. Most conservatives are "tolerant". Progressives force their views to try to make you accept them, not tolerate them.
Progressives have gone beyond pushing to tolerance and equality, mostly because in many areas such as women and minorities equality by law has been achieved. Now they push for special treatment which is largely hypocritical and reverses the roles, by oppressing the others.
People do things under the name of equality, but in reality, it is for them to be in power over others. It never stops at simple equality.
Posted on 12/29/13 at 8:05 pm to Henry Jones Jr
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I usually look at BBC
Way. Too. Easy
Posted on 12/29/13 at 8:05 pm to kywildcatfanone
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To the Christian, God's Word provides the morality to live by.
And I can respect that even if I don't agree with it. As an agnostic, God's Word doesn't provide the morality that I live by. But it's not uncommon for me to find people who are critical of that.
Posted on 12/29/13 at 8:06 pm to deltaland
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Progressives as a whole are way worse. Most conservatives are "tolerant". Progressives force their views to try to make you accept them, not tolerate them.
And this is bias at it's finest.
Posted on 12/29/13 at 8:12 pm to BluegrassBelle
If no religion had ever existed, where would our current standards of morality have come from?
Like it or not, many of our laws are based from precedent established years ago through religious teachings.
Would we, without the knowledge of any religion existence, have come the same standard of morals today?
I'd love to see a study of an isolated community created where infant orphans are placed (cared for until old enough to fend on their own but not taught any morality at all), teach them nothing of religion or standard morals, and see how the children grow up and if they form a natural Gov't within the community with any form of law and order.
Of course you couldn't feasibly do that, as it would be a terrible thing to do to those kids, but I'm just speaking in a hypothetical where it would be an interesting observation.
Like it or not, many of our laws are based from precedent established years ago through religious teachings.
Would we, without the knowledge of any religion existence, have come the same standard of morals today?
I'd love to see a study of an isolated community created where infant orphans are placed (cared for until old enough to fend on their own but not taught any morality at all), teach them nothing of religion or standard morals, and see how the children grow up and if they form a natural Gov't within the community with any form of law and order.
Of course you couldn't feasibly do that, as it would be a terrible thing to do to those kids, but I'm just speaking in a hypothetical where it would be an interesting observation.
Posted on 12/29/13 at 8:14 pm to deltaland
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Progressives as a whole are way worse. Most conservatives are "tolerant". Progressives force their views to try to make you accept them, not tolerate them.
I just spit all over my keyboard. Please tell me you are not this benighted and are just a great troll.
Posted on 12/29/13 at 8:15 pm to deltaland
quote:Absolutely not. The standard of morals would be far superior.
Would we, without the knowledge of any religion existence, have come the same standard of morals today?
Posted on 12/29/13 at 8:15 pm to BluegrassBelle
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And this is bias at it's finest.
I sincerely fail to see where Christians push their religion on others as hard as Progressives try to push their agenda on conservatives.
Maybe it's different elsewhere, but I don't see it. I know atheists, and most of my friends are Christian. None of them push their religion on my atheist friends...but God forbid we say anything with religious tones among ourselves and the atheist will chime in at how dumb we are every single time.
Posted on 12/29/13 at 8:16 pm to deltaland
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Would we, without the knowledge of any religion existence, have come the same standard of morals today?
Maybe, maybe not. But I know that people exist without following strictly religious-based morals.
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Like it or not, many of our laws are based from precedent established years ago through religious teachings.
We have also evolved into a country of diverse beliefs as well. Not everyone follows strict laws based on religious teaching, nor was raised in a religious based household either.
You're implying that people cannot be inherently good without religion. That's a pretty absurd notion.
Posted on 12/29/13 at 8:19 pm to deltaland
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I sincerely fail to see where Christians push their religion on others as hard as Progressives try to push their agenda on conservatives.
You live in Mississippi and in the Delta. I'm going to venture a guess to say that a very large majority of the people you interact with on a daily basis is Christian. I could see where you'd form that opinion, but it's still a biased opinion.
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Maybe it's different elsewhere
It is. Very much so.
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None of them push their religion on my atheist friends...but God forbid we say anything with religious tones among ourselves and the atheist will chime in at how dumb we are every single time.
Sounds like you need to find better atheist friends.
Posted on 12/29/13 at 8:20 pm to 3nOut
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Who are you to say they have to separate their religion from morality?
Please show me where I said they did. All I said is that they should acknowledge that it does exist.
Posted on 12/29/13 at 8:25 pm to aslavey
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Would we, without the knowledge of any religion existence, have come the same standard of morals today?
Absolutely not. The standard of morals would be far superior.
Interesting post, from someone whose apparent hero was the founder of a religion.
Posted on 12/29/13 at 8:26 pm to BluegrassBelle
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We have also evolved into a country of diverse beliefs as well. Not everyone follows strict laws based on religious teaching, nor was raised in a religious based household either.
You're not following what I'm saying. This goes way before this country ever existed. I'm talking about at the beginning of civilized man if there was no concept of religion, how would our view of morals be today?
Religion set a standard for morality in history. Sure a person is raised in an atheist household today, but they still have knowledge of religion. They were taught standard morality, those that taught it learned it from someone who taught them..and go back far enough eventually those teachings of morality came from someone who was religious. there is no race or culture that is atheist in nature to have a true lineage of atheism. At some point, all morality came from religion.
I'm not implying people can't be good without religion. There is actually no way of telling unless you isolate people from birth and give them no knowledge ever, in any way, of morality to see if the human mind in inherently good or evil naturally..or if it's by random both.
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Posted on 12/29/13 at 8:31 pm to Evolved Simian
quote:I have never claimed that High Priest Anton LaVey contributed to a superior moral standard.
Interesting post, from someone whose apparent hero was the founder of a religion.
Posted on 12/29/13 at 8:33 pm to deltaland
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I'm not implying people can't be good without religion. There is actually no way of telling unless you isolate people from birth and give them no knowledge ever, in any way, of morality to see if the human mind in inherently good or evil naturally..or if it's by random both.
Then maybe some Christians need to hang up the "this country is going to shite without God" comments? Can't have it both ways.
Posted on 12/29/13 at 8:36 pm to deltaland
Phil Robertson has trolled the frick out of the SECr OT Board
Posted on 12/29/13 at 8:38 pm to deltaland
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Because the Left can't stand the the fact that a tv show that promotes family and Christian values is so popular.
I absolutely hate the Left and the liberal media, but I hate this rhetoric just as much. It's just stupid and untrue.
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