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re: Missouri is a partially Southern state
Posted on 6/6/13 at 8:27 am to PortCityTiger24
Posted on 6/6/13 at 8:27 am to PortCityTiger24
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But, I still do not understand how you distinguish. When you ask for a "Coke," does the waiter ask, "What kind?"
In a restaurant I would identify which drink I want right from the start. But say I go over to a family members house and they say "you need a drink? We've got Coke, tea, beer, and water." <<<< I know right away that there are likely multiple options for said "coke" and none of them could actually be a Coke. Also that tea is undoubtedly sweet.
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Posted on 6/6/13 at 8:29 am to DisplacedKentuckian
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But say I go over to a family members house and they say "you need a drink? We've got Coke, tea, beer, and water." <<<< I know right away that there are likely multiple options for said "coke" and none of them could actually be a Coke.
But, doesn't that only make for confusion?
Sorry if I'm being redundant, I am only trying to understand the cultural differences.
I, for one, am very, very specific with my food and drink orders, so the vagueness that asking for a "Coke" entails strikes my interest.
Posted on 6/6/13 at 8:36 am to brewhan davey
I would say yes overall it does take more time and is useless. And depending on where you are you would never assume because you will be disappointed.
I worked with a guy from Ohio when I lived in Birmingham who ordered tea at a restaurant. Well he got sweet tea without knowing it and about gagged. I'm sure the opposite would happen in Ohio.
I worked with a guy from Ohio when I lived in Birmingham who ordered tea at a restaurant. Well he got sweet tea without knowing it and about gagged. I'm sure the opposite would happen in Ohio.
Posted on 6/6/13 at 8:41 am to DisplacedKentuckian
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I would say yes overall it does take more time and is useless. And depending on where you are you would never assume because you will be disappointed.
Believe me, there are senseless traditions everywhere in the country, and if you aren't from around there, they are head-scratchers - but to the locals, they are just the way things are. quote:
I worked with a guy from Ohio when I lived in Birmingham who ordered tea at a restaurant. Well he got sweet tea without knowing it and about gagged. I'm sure the opposite would happen in Ohio.
God, I don't know how people don't understand the concept of Sweet Tea.
Posted on 6/6/13 at 8:52 am to brewhan davey
South Louisiana > Rest of the South any day of the week.
No way in hell would I want to be from White Bread Alabama.
No way in hell would I want to be from White Bread Alabama.
Posted on 6/6/13 at 9:04 am to Tigerbait46
South Louisiana is unlike the rest of the South... hell it's unlike anywhere else in the world.
Posted on 6/6/13 at 9:15 am to madmaxvol
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Sorry...the only true map to determine if you are really Southern or not...what you call a soft drink. Soda??? I think not, Yankee.
When I go through the drive-thru I usually ask for a "Coke" and half the time they wind up saying "we have Pepsi, is that OK?" I didn't know though that the decision whether or not to make such a request was a determining factor in whether I'm a Southerner or not, nor do I really give a flying frick.
But, in honor of this thread and how many Ranters are utterly obsessed with this concept, I make a motion to change Mizzou's official mascot from Truman the Tiger to the one and only Soda Popinski:
Who's with me?
Posted on 6/6/13 at 9:19 am to Prof
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Though you mention Faulkner's truisms he too did the same thing but in a different way in 'Absalom! Absalom!' when the character of Quentin was asked why he hated the South by a Northern roommate who had wanted to Quentin to tell him about the South over the course of the novel. Quentin's reply captures the love-hate relationship many Southerners have with regards to the South.
One of my favorite works, hence my "location."
It's all about the conflict between individual and community identity, I suppose. Southern writers of the 19th Century channeled, as you say, their energies into defending the region's peculiar institution, which, around 1830 was no longer Jefferson's "necessary evil" but instead, Calhoun's notion of "positive good."
W.J. Cash's "savage ideal"--the hypersensitivity to criticism/stifling of dissent--made it tough for someone in the mold of Twain to write in the South. I'm afraid H.L. Mencken was quite right when, in 1920, he opined (of the South): "a poet down there is as rare as an oboe-player, a dry-point etcher, a metaphysician..." Perhaps it took this "calling out" by a northerner for southern men of letters to get it together. That is what Tate, R.P. Warren, Ransom, Young, and the Nashville Agrarians would say, at least.
Great to discuss Southern literature/history with someone who really knows their stuff.
This post was edited on 6/6/13 at 9:21 am
Posted on 6/6/13 at 9:24 am to KCM0Tiger
Stop being so insecure. You're here. You belong. Texas isn't a part of Dixie. We still belong. Look. Mizzou/Arky will always and forever be the outcasts, but you are our outcasts. That is just the way it is going to be.
Posted on 6/6/13 at 9:27 am to KCM0Tiger
Actually, the main complaints that I had always heard about Missouri being let into the SEC had little to do with the cultural aspects of it and more to do with the fact that it appeared that MU primarily wanted to join the Big Ten and that they only expressed interest in the SEC after the Big Ten gave them the cold shoulder first. That is what seems harder to forgive for some folks on this message board than Missouri refusing to join the Confederacy... 
Posted on 6/6/13 at 9:31 am to brewhan davey
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Sorry if I'm being redundant, I am only trying to understand the cultural differences.
I, for one, am very, very specific with my food and drink orders, so the vagueness that asking for a "Coke" entails strikes my interest.
Coca-Cola was invented in the 1880's in Georgia. It was so prevelant in the Deep South that it became synononmous with carbonated soft drinks. It's a lot like Frigidaire. At one time there were places that people would call any refrigerator a Frigidaire (you may still hear older people do this)...simply because the brand had become so popular that it became the representation of the industry as a whole.
Posted on 6/6/13 at 9:34 am to madmaxvol
Also call me crazy... or sheltered.... But I had no idea growing up that RC Cola and Moon pies were a southern thing. It wasn't until I met people from further north who didn't have these things. The same goes for awareness of dialect and other cultural/ historical differences I guess.
Posted on 6/6/13 at 9:39 am to madmaxvol
Surprised this map hasn't been posted yet:
Posted on 6/6/13 at 9:41 am to DisplacedKentuckian
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In a restaurant I would identify which drink I want right from the start. But say I go over to a family members house and they say "you need a drink? We've got Coke, tea, beer, and water." <<<< I know right away that there are likely multiple options for said "coke" and none of them could actually be a Coke. Also that tea is undoubtedly sweet.
I would say "cokes", implying multiple types of sodas, but I agree.
Posted on 6/6/13 at 9:43 am to DisplacedKentuckian
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Also call me crazy... or sheltered.... But I had no idea growing up that RC Cola and Moon pies were a southern thing. It wasn't until I met people from further north who didn't have these things. The same goes for awareness of dialect and other cultural/ historical differences I guess.
I grew up in Columbia MO, where the University of Missouri is located, and we had RC Cola on the grocery store shelves and I drank quite a bit of it. Also had no idea that was a regional thing at all.
On the other hand, are pretty much the border region where you start seeing White Castles almost exclusively and almost no Krystals...perhaps none whatsoever. This is a big deal and possibly eviction-worthy.
Posted on 6/6/13 at 9:45 am to DisplacedKentuckian
A map of how people say pecan would be interesting. As far as Louisiana, it is a totally different culture group, especially from Interstate 12 to the Gulf. One of the more culturally unique places on the planet. Without a doubt thorough, it is still Southern.
Posted on 6/6/13 at 9:47 am to Brad5q
Soda, soda pop, sodie. St.Louis area is a nice place to live but Yankee all the way. Not near as bad as the northeast., frick dem idiots.
Posted on 6/6/13 at 9:50 am to TheDude321
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Actually, the main complaints that I had always heard about Missouri being let into the SEC had little to do with the cultural aspects of it and more to do with the fact that it appeared that MU primarily wanted to join the Big Ten and that they only expressed interest in the SEC after the Big Ten gave them the cold shoulder first. That is what seems harder to forgive for some folks on this message board than Missouri refusing to join the Confederacy...
The herp derp is strong in this post. For one thing, we never had an SEC offer until after the Big Ten flirtation was already over, so its kinda unfair to assume if we had both options that we would not have wanted the SEC. I like all of our fanbase followed the process closely and I can tell you without a doubt that the entire time the Big Ten rumors were floating, nobody out there even fathomed there would be any possibility of joining the SEC, nor was the SEC rumored to be expanding at all.
As for Missouri and the Confederacy, I don't think General Lee and company got your memo seeing as the Confederacy claimed Missouri as one of its members - so too did the Union of course, but Missouri's legislature was actually trying to vote to join with the South at one point and were hence forcibly evicted by the Union army and the Union then installed a puppet legislature in Missouri for the rest of the War. In that regard Missouri was far closer to being part of the Confederacy than was, say, Kentucky, whose government very openly and willingly elected not to join.
Posted on 6/6/13 at 9:50 am to DisplacedKentuckian
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Also call me crazy... or sheltered.... But I had no idea growing up that RC Cola and Moon pies were a southern thing. It wasn't until I met people from further north who didn't have these things. The same goes for awareness of dialect and other cultural/ historical differences I guess.
A joke from the late, great Lewis Grizzard....
One day a man walks into a place and orders an RC Cola and a Moon Pie. The guy behind the counter says, "You must be from Alabama." The customer replied angrily, "Just because I ordered an RC Cola and a Moon Pie, how come you think I must be from Alabama?" He continued, "If I ordered spaghetti, would you think I was from Italy? If I ordered sausage, would you say I was from Poland?" The man at the counter says, "Well, I can't say. It's never happened." So the customer asks, "Then how come when I come in here and order an RC Cola and a Moon Pie, you just automatically assume I'm from Alabama?"
And the man calmly replies, "'Cause this is a hardware store."
Posted on 6/6/13 at 9:52 am to sdmlsu1
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Soda, soda pop, sodie. St.Louis area is a nice place to live but Yankee all the way. Not near as bad as the northeast., frick dem idiots.
Have you been to South County St. Louis? I don't know what you'd call it, but Yankees sure wouldn't claim it as theirs...its redneck as hell. How redneck ties in with Southern-ness or not, I leave to you cultural scientists here.
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