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Is there anything cooler than a neutron star in interstellar space?

Posted on 7/9/16 at 6:48 am
Posted by sunseeker
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 7/9/16 at 6:48 am
I have been fascinated by these things for a long time now. Something so dense that a teaspoon of it weighs more than all cars in the United States combined. They spin hundreds of times per second. The magnetic fields alone would rip you to shreds.

I do apologize for not including a link and or a pic. I admit that I'm old and don't really know how to do it with my phone.
Posted by Alahunter
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Posted on 7/9/16 at 8:20 am to
The Hubble Space Telescope has captured an image of the super-dense neutron star at the heart of the famous Crab Nebula. The nebula resulted from one of the earliest supernovae to be recorded by human beings, and its striking form has made it a popular target for amateur and professional astronomers alike.

It is thought that a sugar cube-sized amount of an incredibly dense zombie stars such as the neutron star at the heart of the Crab Nebula would weigh the same as Mount Everest. What's more, neutron stars spin incredibly fast. The specimen lurking in the depths of the Crab Nebula is thought to rotate 30 times a second.

The neutron star itself can be observed as the upper right-hand star of the two brightest stars near the center of the image. The short video below zooms in from the constellation of Taurus to the inner parts of the Crab Nebula.

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Posted by sunseeker
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Posted on 7/9/16 at 9:22 am to
Thanks. Good stuff.
Posted by Kentucker
Cincinnati, KY
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 7/9/16 at 10:54 am to
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Something so dense that a teaspoon of it weighs more than all cars in the United States combined.


Now imagine the density of a black hole wherein a teaspoon weighs more than the continent of North America. One of the wonders of nature is that space is 99.999999+% empty of ordinary matter, making the limitations for density unfathomable.

At the same time, it's buzzing with particles of dark matter and dark energy that we can't yet detect but for which we have indirect evidence. Space itself is made up of exotic particles such as the recently discovered Higgs Boson.

The fascinating world of quantum physics promises to provide entertaining discoveries for many years to come.

Posted by sunseeker
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 7/9/16 at 11:14 am to
Dark energy and dark matter are confusing topics for me. I know it's there however. The quantum world is even more confusing. I doubt there will ever be a quantum theory for gravity. String theory is not at all feasible.
Posted by Kentucker
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Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 7/9/16 at 5:12 pm to
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Dark energy and dark matter are confusing topics for me.


They're confusing for everybody. We don't yet know what makes up Dark Matter or Dark Energy. Through gravity lensing and the rotations of galaxies, however, we know that Dark Matter is real and because the expansion of the Universe is speeding up we know that something, what we call Dark Energy, is causing it.

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The quantum world is even more confusing.


The physics at the quantum level are counterintuitive, especially because we're so conditioned to the world of classical physics. However, we're using quantum physics more and more, even without completely understanding it.

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I doubt there will ever be a quantum theory for gravity.


I agree. Even Einstein's General Theory of Relativity says that gravity isn't a force like electromagnetism, the weak force and the strong force.

Rather, and this is backed up more and more by modern physics, it's an effect of the relationship between spacetime and an object's mass. A large mass tends to warp spacetime and cause smaller objects to fall into it.

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String theory is not at all feasible.


While String Theory (ST) is very strong on paper, it will remain only theory until we can directly or indirectly observe it. The basis of ST, "strings," are so much smaller than even the Planck size (the smallest size currently detectable) that we have no way of directly observing them.

Also, we don't currently know of a way to observe any direct effects of strings. That doesn't mean that we won't soon be able to prove ST, but for now it isn't possible.

Posted by TbirdSpur2010
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Posted on 7/9/16 at 5:20 pm to
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we know that something, what we call Dark Energy, is causing it.


Posted by Kentucker
Cincinnati, KY
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 7/9/16 at 5:27 pm to
And it's super cool, apparently. About 5 billion years ago it overwhelmed gravity and began forcing matter, and everything else that we can't yet detect, to expand away from everything else at an increasing rate.

This has led to a Universe that is about 93 billion light years in diameter and growing. There are already some parts of the Universe that we will never be able to see.

We're seeing portions of the Universe that, 1 billion years from now, will be beyond observation by anyone living then.
Posted by GoldenDawg
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Posted on 7/9/16 at 6:34 pm to
Basically, our current knowledge is so limited we don't even know what we don't know.
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
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Posted on 7/9/16 at 7:03 pm to
Absolutely mind-blowing. Love this stuff
Posted by Kentucker
Cincinnati, KY
Member since Apr 2013
19351 posts
Posted on 7/9/16 at 9:14 pm to
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Basically, our current knowledge is so limited we don't even know what we don't know.


Well, it's the nature of science that the answer to one question raises many more questions. However, human understanding of the quantum world is advancing at a blazing speed.

Using the Large Hadron Collider in Switzerland/France and the gravity wave detectors in Louisiana/Washington, the Higgs Field and inflation of the early Universe have been proven in just the last two years. These are astounding scientific feats that would have rocked the world just a half century ago, on the same scale as development of the atomic bomb.

Today, though, there are so many discoveries coming so quickly that most people are not amazed even when something like the Higgs Boson is confirmed. The scientific community celebrates, of course, but today's technology is so complicated that the lay person seems not interested in keeping up with it.

Posted by Masterag
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Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 7/9/16 at 11:44 pm to
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About 5 billion years ago


The universe is only about 15,000 years old. I'll believe what God says over Einstein or any other man.
Posted by sunseeker
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2016
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Posted on 7/10/16 at 6:29 am to
What do you think about a planned trip to alpha centauri? It won't be a probe, it will be something very small that will get going by concentrating a laser on it from earth. I guess it is still a probe but a very small one. It will still take about 20 years to get there. I hope I'm still alive when it arrives there. That's 3 stars in that system to investigate. Stephen Hawking is very excited about it even though he won't live to see the mission succeed.
Posted by Kentucker
Cincinnati, KY
Member since Apr 2013
19351 posts
Posted on 7/10/16 at 8:35 am to
Development of the technology for the mission has just begun and Hawking estimates it will take about 30 years to complete it. Then, of course, there'll be another 20 years for the micro-craft to reach the Centauri system. LINK

Better to look forward to the launch of the James Webb Space Telescope in October of 2018. It's power will dwarf the ability of the famous Hubble Telescope now in use.

It will be able to image many exoplanets directly, enabling scientists to analyze their atmospheres for signs of life, such as the presence of oxygen. Certainly, we'll be able to see the Centauri system better than ever before.

I've always been disappointed that we haven't been focusing more on that system because it's the closest to us and is rich with possibilities. We know there are some earth-sized planets orbiting the three stars there but that's about the extent of our knowledge.

The James Webb Space Telescope promises to vastly add to our knowledge at its first light. Can't wait.

This post was edited on 7/10/16 at 8:51 am
Posted by Kentucker
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Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 7/10/16 at 8:38 am to
Okey dokey.
Posted by Nuts4LSU
Washington, DC
Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 7/11/16 at 8:09 am to
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This has led to a Universe that is about 93 billion light years in diameter and growing.


I don't deny this is true, but I can't understand how this can be. If two objects formed from materials that were once in the same location at the moment of the Big Bang are now 93 billion light years apart, then the material they are both made of would have had to travel an average of 46.5 billion light years to get that far apart, but the we seem pretty sure the Big Bang happened far less than 46.5 billion years ago. How could the material from which these objects are made travel 46.5 billion light years in less than 46.5 billion years?

Since greater-than-light speed is impossible, the only way they could be that far apart is if the spacetime between them was expanding without actually moving the objects (or the materials making up the objects), so that the two objects become farther apart without either of them moving. My limited mind has a hard time comprehending how that can happen.
Posted by Rantavious
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Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 7/11/16 at 1:04 pm to
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Development of the technology for the mission has just begun


Hope they figure out how to use the copy machine before they send it into space.
Posted by Kentucker
Cincinnati, KY
Member since Apr 2013
19351 posts
Posted on 7/11/16 at 1:28 pm to
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My limited mind has a hard time comprehending how that can happen.


Me, too. Makes my brain hurt sometimes.

Here is the most understandable explanation I found with a quick search. Basically, we have to accept that light is the top speed for objects, but not for spacetime.

And since objects exist within spacetime, they can be moved away from each other faster than the speed of light while they still obey the speed limit. That's because spacetime is expanding faster than that.

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I’m afraid the confusion stems from a basic misinterpretation of relativity itself. You see, it says that OBJECTS can not travel faster than the speed of light through spacetime. It doesn’t, however, have anything to say about spacetime itself. So, to summarize, the size of space does not conflict with basic physics.

This is because the galaxies themselves (and any other objects in space) aren’t breaking any laws, because they aren’t traveling through space faster than light (at least, not in the traditional sense). Rather, every portion of space is expanding and stretching. It’s not even that the edges are flying outwards, but that spacetime itself—the area between galaxies, stars, planets, you and I—is stretching.

In short: Spacetime is expanding and pushing matter apart. Matter is not really traveling through spacetime.
This post was edited on 7/11/16 at 1:36 pm
Posted by Kentucker
Cincinnati, KY
Member since Apr 2013
19351 posts
Posted on 7/11/16 at 1:34 pm to
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Hope they figure out how to use the copy machine before they send it into space.


Yes, it's a one-shot deal. That thing had better be working perfectly when it arrives at its destination at the L2 point in space.

It'll be 1 million miles from earth and there'll be no way for astronauts to get to it for service or repairs as they did with Hubble. The risk is worth it because of the expected pay-off, however.
Posted by sunseeker
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2016
2651 posts
Posted on 7/11/16 at 4:22 pm to
Inflation?
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