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Posted on 6/20/18 at 12:51 pm to
Posted by Kentucker
Cincinnati, KY
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 6/20/18 at 12:51 pm to
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Now let's take a look at the Central Banks owned or controlled by the Rothchild banking conglomerate as of 2013 -- Remember, the governments of these countries report to the banks (Countries Central bank --> International Central Bank --> Bank of International Settlements) at the highest levels, not the other way around:


Let me play the devil's advocate for a bit.

Where do you get this? That's an audacious claim. How can you support this with anything other than an assertion?

When I googled "Rothchild banking conglomerate," the only thing that came up was some info about:

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the N M Rothschild & Sons Limited or Rothschild Group (commonly referred to as Rothschild) is a British multinational investment banking company controlled by the Rothschild family. It was founded in the City of London in 1811 and now serves as the British division of Rothschild & Co, a global firm with 57 offices around the world. It is the seventh oldest bank in continuous operation in the United Kingdom. -Wiki.


A bank with 57 officies around the world doesn't sound like the sinister force you are describing.
Posted by Kentucker
Cincinnati, KY
Member since Apr 2013
19351 posts
Posted on 6/20/18 at 12:55 pm to
Am I getting played by TRT the way DownSouth did me? I obviously have trouble determining who is a true conspiracy theorist and who isn't. I need better algorithms in this area obviously.
Posted by TRUERockyTop
Appalachia
Member since Sep 2011
15808 posts
Posted on 6/20/18 at 1:28 pm to
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“Mr. Chairman, we have in this country one of the most corrupt institutions the world has ever known. I refer to the Federal Reserve Board and the Federal Reserve Banks. The Federal Reserve Board, a Government board, has cheated the Government of the United States and the people of the United States out of enough money to pay the national debt…Mr. Chairman, when the Federal Reserve act was passed, the people of the United States did not perceive that a world system was being set up here… and that this country was to supply financial power to an international superstate — a superstate controlled by international bankers and international industrialists acting together to enslave the world for their own pleasure.”

Congressman Louis T. McFadden, from a speech delivered to the House of Representatives on June 10, 1932


Quotes through out this thread are coming from past Presidents, Senators, Congressmen, Head of the FBI, etc. -- These aren't false claims made up by random men of no significance found on the internet.

I'm in a in-depth training class for my company this week and unable to post as much as I'd like to. I'll circle back on this and try and connect the dots for you when I have time later this evening.

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Am I getting played by TRT the way DownSouth did me?


J. Edgar Hoover said it best:

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“The individual is handicapped by coming face-to-face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists. The American mind simply has not come to a realization of the evil which has been introduced into our midst. It rejects even the assumption that human creatures could espouse a philosophy which must ultimately destroy all that is good and decent.”



I'm not telling you what to believe or what not to believe. I'm merely laying out the available information in a way that I hope is digestible. What you do with that information is up to you.

Again, I'll try and circle back on this when I have more time tonight.
This post was edited on 6/20/18 at 1:43 pm
Posted by Kentucker
Cincinnati, KY
Member since Apr 2013
19351 posts
Posted on 6/20/18 at 2:52 pm to
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I'm not telling you what to believe or what not to believe.


Well, I don't believe anything. I don't use that word in describing myself. To believe is to accept without evidence. Conspiracy theories always seem to hinge upon anecdotal or unverifiable evidence.

Since 50% of the population will subscribe to conspiracy theories, I can understand why they run rampant. However, I can't understand why those people who accept them as creditable don't use the scientific method or reductionism to more closely examine the claims.

Rather, the most important evidence offered up by conspiracy theorists is the number of people who accept them as creditable. It's as though, "John Doe and millions of others believe it so that makes it creditable," is enough to convince most people.

Joseph Goebbels made spectacular use of this human foible in Nazi Germany.

"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it."

Josef Mengele was even more sinister.



While these quotes might seem to be contradictory at face value, they're actually complimentary.

In effect, when combined, they're saying, "If I can successfully lie about things to you long enough you won't even realize that I'm manipulating you."
Posted by PurpleandGeauld
Florence, TX
Member since Oct 2013
5171 posts
Posted on 6/20/18 at 3:09 pm to
Here is just one example of a "conspiracy theory" that was true. Under Project MK-Ultra, the CIA paid hookers to bring men into a house where the guy's drink was spiked with LSD and they observed what happened to these guys. Some died. If I told you this was happening today, you would say I was crazy.

But experiments like this go on all the time. Right now today. Only thing is you aren't going to hear from any of the victims.
Posted by Arksulli
Fayetteville
Member since Aug 2014
25171 posts
Posted on 6/20/18 at 3:51 pm to
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But experiments like this go on all the time. Right now today. Only thing is you aren't going to hear from any of the victims.


If you had added... "I'm living proof of government experiments" then I might have bought into this a bit more.

Look... a conspiracy theorist, at heart, wants to believe that there is a reason the universe doesn't give a rat's patoot about him. The sad, but true, answer is that the universe doesn't give a rat's patoot about you whether or not there is a conspiracy going on.

Life is very egalitarian. You will be just as dead as Bill Gates a hundred years from now.
Posted by Kentucker
Cincinnati, KY
Member since Apr 2013
19351 posts
Posted on 6/20/18 at 4:04 pm to
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But experiments like this go on all the time. Right now today. Only thing is you aren't going to hear from any of the victims.


Because it happened once is not evidence that it happens all the time.

By that reasoning I could say, "Well, the abuse by the CIA was discovered and stopped. That's proof that it's always discovered and stopped." Follow?
Posted by PurpleandGeauld
Florence, TX
Member since Oct 2013
5171 posts
Posted on 6/20/18 at 4:55 pm to
Ok, do you believe human trafficking actually happens? If so, do you think the victims are only sold as sex slaves?
Posted by Kentucker
Cincinnati, KY
Member since Apr 2013
19351 posts
Posted on 6/20/18 at 5:54 pm to
Again, I don't believe in anything. I know that human trafficking takes place from all the evidence for it. Abductions of women and children for that purpose are rather common.

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If so, do you think the victims are only sold as sex slaves?


I would think they're sold to buyers who have many nefarious intentions.

I really don't see the relevancy of this example to conspiracy theories, however. Abductions and human trafficking are real crimes in many nations.
Posted by KSGamecock
The Woodlands, TX
Member since May 2012
22982 posts
Posted on 6/20/18 at 5:57 pm to
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Abductions and human trafficking are real crimes in many nations.


HUGE issue in Israel for example.

LINK
This post was edited on 6/20/18 at 5:58 pm
Posted by TRUERockyTop
Appalachia
Member since Sep 2011
15808 posts
Posted on 6/20/18 at 9:24 pm to
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Conspiracy theories always seem to hinge upon anecdotal or unverifiable evidence.


Let's go straight to one of the available sources. Meet Karen Hudes, ex Senior Counsel and Attorney to the World Bank for over 20 years, now turned whistle blower (among others).

Her credentials:

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Karen Hudes studied law at Yale Law School and economics at the University of Amsterdam. She worked in the US Export Import Bank of the US from 1980-1985 and in the Legal Department of the World Bank from 1986-2007. She established the Non Governmental Organization Committee of the International Law Section of the American Bar Association and the Committee on Multilateralism and the Accountability of International Organizations of the American Branch of the International Law Association.


Hudes describing the "conspiracy" for us plebs:

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Today, Hudes is trying very hard to expose the corrupt financial system that the global elite are using to control the wealth of the world. During an interview with the New American, she discussed how we are willingly allowing this group of elitists to totally dominate the resources of the planet.

A former insider at the World Bank, ex-Senior Counsel Karen Hudes, says the global financial system is dominated by a small group of corrupt, power-hungry figures centered around the privately owned U.S. Federal Reserve. The network has seized control of the media to cover up its crimes, too, she explained. In an interview with The New American, Hudes said that when she tried to blow the whistle on multiple problems at the World Bank, she was fired for her efforts. Now, along with a network of fellow whistleblowers, Hudes is determined to expose and end the corruption. And she is confident of success.

Citing an explosive 2011 Swiss study published in the PLOS ONE journal on the “network of global corporate control,” Hudes pointed out that a small group of entities — mostly financial institutions and especially central banks — exert a massive amount of influence over the international economy from behind the scenes. “What is really going on is that the world’s resources are being dominated by this group,” she explained, adding that the “corrupt power grabbers” have managed to dominate the media as well. “They’re being allowed to do it.”

Previously, I have written about the Swiss study that Hudes mentioned. It was conducted by a team of researchers at the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology in Zurich, Switzerland. They studied the relationships between 37 million companies and investors worldwide, and what they discovered is that there is a “super-entity” of just 147 very tightly knit mega-corporations that controls 40 percent of the entire global economy.

When the team further untangled the web of ownership, it found much of it tracked back to a “super-entity” of 147 even more tightly knit companies – all of their ownership was held by other members of the super-entity – that controlled 40 per cent of the total wealth in the network. “In effect, less than 1 per cent of the companies were able to control 40 per cent of the entire network,” says Glattfelder. Most were financial institutions. The top 20 included Barclays Bank, JPMorgan Chase & Co, and The Goldman Sachs Group.

But the global elite don’t just control these mega-corporations. According to Hudes, they also dominate the unelected, unaccountable organizations that control the finances of virtually every nation on the face of the planet. The World Bank, the IMF and central banks such as the Federal Reserve literally control the creation and the flow of money worldwide. At the apex of this system is the Bank for International Settlements. It is the central bank of central banks


23 Minute video of Karen Hudes explaining what's happening with the World Economy behindes the scenes. Watch this video if you're serious about learning factual information on the situation.

The entire video is the definition of being red pilled, but the 15 minute mark onwards is, for a lack of better words, absolutely mind blowing.

LINK
This post was edited on 6/21/18 at 9:28 am
Posted by TRUERockyTop
Appalachia
Member since Sep 2011
15808 posts
Posted on 6/20/18 at 9:29 pm to
Moving on to the PLOS One study: "The Network of Global Corporate Control" completed by the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology back in 2011. Link below


Introduction:

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A common intuition among scholars and in the media sees the global economy as being dominated by a handful of powerful transnational corporations (TNCs). However, this has not been confirmed or rejected with explicit numbers. A quantitative investigation is not a trivial task because firms may exert control over other firms via a web of direct and indirect ownership relations which extends over many countries. Therefore, a complex network analysis [1] is needed in order to uncover the structure of control and its implications. Recently, economic networks have attracted growing attention [2], e.g., networks of trade [3], products [4], credit [5], [6], stock prices [7] and boards of directors [8], [9]. This literature has also analyzed ownership networks [10], [11], but has neglected the structure of control at a global level. Even the corporate governance literature has only studied small national business groups [12]. Certainly, it is intuitive that every large corporation has a pyramid of subsidiaries below and a number of shareholders above. However, economic theory does not offer models that predict how TNCs globally connect to each other. Three alternative hypotheses can be formulated. TNCs may remain isolated, cluster in separated coalitions, or form a giant connected component, possibly with a core-periphery structure. So far, this issue has remained unaddressed, notwithstanding its important implications for policy making. Indeed, mutual ownership relations among firms within the same sector can, in some cases, jeopardize market competition [13], [14]. Moreover, linkages among financial institutions have been recognized to have ambiguous effects on their financial fragility [15], [16]. Verifying to what extent these implications hold true in the global economy is per se an unexplored field of research and is beyond the scope of this article. However, a necessary precondition to such investigations is to uncover the worldwide structure of corporate control. This was never performed before and it is the aim of the present work.



Abstract:


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The structure of the control network of transnational corporations affects global market competition and financial stability. So far, only small national samples were studied and there was no appropriate methodology to assess control globally. We present the first investigation of the architecture of the international ownership network, along with the computation of the control held by each global player. We find that transnational corporations form a giant bow-tie structure and that a large portion of control flows to a small tightly-knit core of financial institutions. This core can be seen as an economic “super-entity” that raises new important issues both for researchers and policy makers.



Figures:

Figure 1. Ownership and Control.

(A&B) Direct and indirect ownership. (A) Firm has percent of direct ownership in firm . Through , it has also an indirect ownership in and . (B) With cycles one has to take into account the recursive paths, see Appendix S1, Section 3.1. (C&D) Threshold model. (C) Percentages of ownership are indicated along the links. (D) If a shareholder has ownership exceeding a threshold (e.g. ), it has full control (100%) and the others have none (0%). More conservative model of control are also considered see Appendix S1, Section 3.1.



Figure 2. Network topology:

The computation of control requires a prior analysis of the topology. In terms of connectivity, the network consists of many small connected components, but the largest one (3/4 of all nodes) contains all the top TNCs by economic value, accounting for 94.2% of the total TNC operating revenue (Table 1). Besides the usual network statistics (Figures S5 and S6 in Appendix S1), two topological properties are the most relevant to the focus of this work. The first is the abundance of cycles of length two (mutual cross-shareholdings) or greater (Figure S7 and Section 7 in Appendix S1), which are well studied motifs in corporate governance [19]. A generalization is a strongly connected component (SCC), i.e., a set of firms in which every member owns directly and/or indirectly shares in every other member. This kind of structures, so far observed only in small samples, has explanations such as anti-takeover strategies, reduction of transaction costs, risk sharing, increasing trust and groups of interest [20]. No matter its origin, however, it weakens market competition [13], [14]. The second characteristics is that the largest connect component contains only one dominant strongly connected component (1347 nodes). Thus, similar to the WWW, the TNC network has a bow-tie structure [21] (see Figure 2 A and Appendix S1, Section 6). Its peculiarity is that the strongly connected component, or core, is very small compared to the other sections of the bow-tie, and that the out-section is significantly larger than the in-section and the tubes and tendrils (Figure 2 B and Table 1). The core is also very densely connected, with members having, on average, ties to 20 other members (Figure 2 C, D). As a result, about 3/4 of the ownership of firms in the core remains in the hands of firms of the core itself. In other words, this is a tightly-knit group of corporations that cumulatively hold the majority share of each other.



Figure 3. Concentration of network control and operating revenue.

The topological analysis carried out so far does not consider the diverse economic value of firms. We thus compute the network control that economic actors (including TNCs) gain over the TNCs' value (operating revenue) and we address the question of how much this control is concentrated and who are the top control holders. See Figure S3 in Appendix S1 for the distribution of control and operating revenue.

It should be noticed that, although scholars have long measured the concentration of wealth and income [22], there is no prior quantitative estimation for control. Constructing a Lorenz-like curve (Figure 3) allows one to identify the fraction of top holders holding cumulatively of the total network control. Thus, the smaller this fraction, the higher the concentration. In principle, one could expect inequality of control to be comparable to inequality of income across households and firms, since shares of most corporations are publicly accessible in stock markets. In contrast, we find that only top holders accumulate of the control over the value of all TNCs (see also the list of the top holders in Table S1 of Appendix S1). The corresponding level of concentration is , to be compared with for operating revenue. Other sensible comparisons include: income distribution in developed countries with [22] and corporate revenue in Fortune1000 ( in 2009). This means that network control is much more unequally distributed than wealth. In particular, the top ranked actors hold a control ten times bigger than what could be expected based on their wealth. The results are robust with respect to the models used to estimate control, see Figure 3 and Tables S2 and S3 in Appendix S1.




Swiss Institute of Technology "PLOS One" Report
This post was edited on 6/20/18 at 9:35 pm
Posted by IAmNERD
Member since May 2017
19179 posts
Posted on 6/23/18 at 2:03 pm to
So you are basing this on a lady saying that a few mega corporations and world banks control a very large portion of the money in the world? Ya don't say... I mean they are central banks and mega corporations. It makes sense that they do business with one another to get richer.
This post was edited on 6/23/18 at 2:04 pm
Posted by Chuck Barris
Member since Apr 2013
2146 posts
Posted on 6/23/18 at 6:26 pm to
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"To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize." -Voltaire
That's not a quote by Voltaire.

It's a rough version of a quote from Kevin Alfred Strom, an American White Nationalist and Holocaust denier who was convicted of possessing child pornography in 2008. LINK

It's not exactly a shock that this guy's words are used to fuel anti-Semitic conspiracy theories, but leave Voltaire out of it.

This post was edited on 6/23/18 at 6:27 pm
Posted by Perfect Circle
S W Alabama
Member since Sep 2017
6835 posts
Posted on 6/25/18 at 9:16 pm to
quote:

"...there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it."


Absolute evil exists. I know this.

Those who deny it, can't or won't, comprehend that this evil, operating over a span of centuries, could manipulate the world's finances and political institutions, for the purpose of establishing itself in opposition to the Ultimate Good.
Posted by Tiger n Miami AU83
Miami
Member since Oct 2007
45656 posts
Posted on 6/25/18 at 10:16 pm to
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The difference is all those players are individuals or unique groups with their own self-interests rather than say a single organization that controls government from behind the scenes. Nothing unites the individuals and orgs -- they each act on their own behalf. 

IOW, there's no grand plan and no real shadow organization in the sense of something like the illuminati. Instead, it's all individual private players trying to exert their own influence on government. No single group or goal. Just imagine everyone on tRant was a billionaire and we were all seeking to gain government power and influence for ourselves and/or our industry. We wouldn't agree on a damn thing and would often be working against one another.


This. All of it.

Money is power. Money runs shite.

Wealthy people acting in their own self interest buy and sell politicians (called lobbying), who then make the rules.

shite ain't that complicated. Give me $50 billion tomorrow and I'll be making the rules soon thereafter.
This post was edited on 6/25/18 at 10:17 pm
Posted by Pavoloco83
Acworth Ga. too many damn dawgs
Member since Nov 2013
15347 posts
Posted on 6/25/18 at 10:32 pm to
Gotdammit. They finally found out how Auburn paid Cam Newton.

Posted by coachcrisp
pensacola, fl
Member since Jun 2012
30589 posts
Posted on 6/26/18 at 9:41 am to
Somebody needs to throw a net over this entire fricking thread!
Posted by GurleyGirl
Georgia
Member since Nov 2015
13161 posts
Posted on 6/26/18 at 10:14 am to
"I was a Manchurian Candidate."
Barack Hussein Obama - 2018 under the influence of truth serum
This post was edited on 6/26/18 at 10:16 am
Posted by TRUERockyTop
Appalachia
Member since Sep 2011
15808 posts
Posted on 6/26/18 at 11:18 am to
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Absolute evil exists. I know this.

Those who deny it, can't or won't, comprehend that this evil, operating over a span of centuries, could manipulate the world's finances and political institutions, for the purpose of establishing itself in opposition to the Ultimate Good.


It's an interesting topic and one that I find makes many people uneasy and ultimately project their own thoughts and insecurities as the only possible option/outcome.


The fact that known posters like Tiger in Miami and CoachCrisp, who have shown that their intelligence or lack there of on multiple occasions, are so against this idea like it's something that's completely out of the realm of possibility makes me laugh and even more steadfast.


This 13 minute video posted yesterday, that I wasn't even aware of until about 30 minutes ago, is conveying the idea that I'm talking about (Along with the multiple whistle blowers that have come forward and the coincidental "suicides" surrounding most of the subjects)

LINK
This post was edited on 6/26/18 at 1:23 pm
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