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re: Intelligent Design Vs. Evolution
Posted on 4/6/14 at 3:52 pm to GoldenDawg
Posted on 4/6/14 at 3:52 pm to GoldenDawg
Take sport for example. There are people out there who could go their whole lives having absolutely nothing to do with sport of any kind and their lives would be completely full. For others sport is a central part of their enjoyment of life. Without it they wouldn't be who they are. Both are equally valid lives.
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Posted on 4/6/14 at 3:59 pm to Loathor
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So it doesn't matter how you live, just THAT you live, and live for as long as possible, or what?
Pretty much.
So under this philosophy, doing anything which puts you in physical danger is stupid. Joining the military would be the height of foolishness, of course. Even protecting your family would be counter-productive if it puts you in danger.
And if killing others puts you in a better position to live longer, than you absolutely should do it. Doesn't matter if you're Hitler, Mao, Stalin, Gengis Khan, or whatever. If what you are doing helps you to live longer, screw everyone else because whether others live or die is their problem, not yours.
Am I getting it right so far or am I wrong somewhere?
Posted on 4/6/14 at 4:47 pm to GoldenDawg
You're conflicting longevity with quality. There are people who live fuller lives in twenty years then others who live into their hundreds. But if both enjoyed what they did with their time then both are just as valuable.
Posted on 4/6/14 at 4:51 pm to Loathor
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But if both enjoyed what they did with their time then both are just as valuable.
So if Hitler, Mao, Stalin enjoyed what they did with their time, that's all that matters?
Posted on 4/6/14 at 4:52 pm to Kentucker
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There's nothing more to say, research or contemplate. It's a belief and you can accept it if it makes you feel better.
This is too simplistic. It would be more correct to say that Intelligent Design is philosophical in nature while biology is a "hard" science. And it's not necessary that they're competing.
But to reduce a philosophical argument to a statement of faith is as dumb as reducing a biological theory to a statement of faith.
Posted on 4/6/14 at 4:54 pm to Loathor
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But if both enjoyed what they did with their time then both are just as valuable.
So it's the enjoyment of your life that is the standard, no matter the length?
I can see that. How about if what you happen to enjoy upsets others? Or if what you enjoy is seen as deviant and made illegal, but you still enjoy it?
In other words - is there any concept of 'right' or 'wrong' in your philosophy and, if so, how is it determined?
Posted on 4/6/14 at 4:55 pm to Prof
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It can be but in terms of what we teach in school we have to go with more fact and less philosophy.
Emphatically no. Philosophical education has been ignored to the detriment of our whole educational process. It is the underpinning of all learning. There is no science without philosophy.
Posted on 4/6/14 at 5:10 pm to GoldenDawg
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So it's the enjoyment of your life that is the standard, no matter the length? I can see that. How about if what you happen to enjoy upsets others? Or if what you enjoy is seen as deviant and made illegal, but you still enjoy it? In other words - is there any concept of 'right' or 'wrong' in your philosophy and, if so, how is it determined?
If all it's doing is upsetting them or deviates from their comfort level then no, I don't think there's anything wrong with that. If it's not physically hurting anyone else then why would it matter what you do to pass the time?
Posted on 4/6/14 at 5:26 pm to Loathor
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So it's the enjoyment of your life that is the standard, no matter the length? I can see that. How about if what you happen to enjoy upsets others? Or if what you enjoy is seen as deviant and made illegal, but you still enjoy it? In other words - is there any concept of 'right' or 'wrong' in your philosophy and, if so, how is it determined?
If all it's doing is upsetting them or deviates from their comfort level then no, I don't think there's anything wrong with that. If it's not physically hurting anyone else then why would it matter what you do to pass the time?
Let me help you out with this one, my fine Evolved brother.
Check it out: If we could kill someone, any person, and donate this one man's organs to five different people -- this would make a better overall society right? One for five seems like a pretty easy concept to grasp.
Now, on the other hand, imagine how you would live your life if at any moment your doctor could put you to sleep and vivisect you, would this be a better reality?
The fact of the matter is: We don't like living in societies where people can randomly die, to say that the end goal is happiness is folly -- it's more about avoiding suffering. It's easier for us to live in societies where the real threat of being raped, mutilated or killed at any moment and so that's what our choice is.
Posted on 4/6/14 at 6:06 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
I don't know how that was supposed to clear anything up...
But I'm saying that if you live in a reality where you can die at any time, which we clearly do, why live your life in pursuit of possible happiness at the end? Live your life for attainable happiness now instead of a chance of happiness when it's all said and done.
But I'm saying that if you live in a reality where you can die at any time, which we clearly do, why live your life in pursuit of possible happiness at the end? Live your life for attainable happiness now instead of a chance of happiness when it's all said and done.
Posted on 4/6/14 at 6:09 pm to GoldenDawg
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Otherwise there would still be nothing, as nothing can't create something - 'cause, you know, it's nothing.
not according to quantum theory. apparently the building blocks of matter (quarks and gluons) pop in and out of existence all the time - which means the subatomic particles that make up the matter in your body are constantly popping in and out of existence according to theory (don't ask me - too weird) Anyway, i got no problem believing in God.
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Posted on 4/6/14 at 6:19 pm to MontyFranklyn
Since religion wasn't hammered down my throat as a child it's very hard for me to understand why it is so hard for people to believe in evolution, but it is so easy to believe that an almighty power created the entire universe in 7 days around 6000 years ago, then he makes a man, steals his rib and makes a woman, then some shite goes bad cause they wanna get it on, then he gets this other guy to build a boat that could hold all the land animals he'd created on earth times 2 plus enough food to keep them fed for 40 days (even though we still don't know all the animals that exist), etc, etc, etc...
Somebody started a thread about what was the biggest bullshite story you were ever told... well...hmmm.
Somebody started a thread about what was the biggest bullshite story you were ever told... well...hmmm.
This post was edited on 4/6/14 at 6:20 pm
Posted on 4/6/14 at 6:53 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Let me help you out with this one, my fine Evolved brother.
Check it out: If we could kill someone, any person, and donate this one man's organs to five different people -- this would make a better overall society right? One for five seems like a pretty easy concept to grasp.
Now, on the other hand, imagine how you would live your life if at any moment your doctor could put you to sleep and vivisect you, would this be a better reality?
The fact of the matter is: We don't like living in societies where people can randomly die, to say that the end goal is happiness is folly -- it's more about avoiding suffering. It's easier for us to live in societies where the real threat of being raped, mutilated or killed at any moment and so that's what our choice is.
Posted on 4/6/14 at 6:56 pm to MontyFranklyn
So the universe is so incredibly complex that it couldn't have simply existed without a creator? It would follow, then, that the creator would be of equal or greater complexity than the universe. In this case, who created the creator?
Posted on 4/6/14 at 6:57 pm to LukeSidewalker
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Check it out: If we could kill someone, any person, and donate this one man's organs to five different people -- this would make a better overall society right? One for five seems like a pretty easy concept to grasp.
What if the guy you killed had 5 young children?
Is it better?
Is it?
Dumbass.
Posted on 4/6/14 at 6:58 pm to weedGOKU666
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In this case, who created the creator?
We did.
Posted on 4/6/14 at 7:09 pm to Loathor
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If it's not physically hurting anyone else then why would it matter what you do to pass the time?
Why would it matter if you were physically hurting someone else? I mean, as long as you were getting pleasure by it, or it somehow helped you live a longer life?
Be honest, please. Why would it matter if your own pleasure or longevity was/is all that matters?
Posted on 4/6/14 at 7:10 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Let me help you out with this one, my fine Evolved brother.
Check it out: If we could kill someone, any person, and donate this one man's organs to five different people -- this would make a better overall society right? One for five seems like a pretty easy concept to grasp.
Now, on the other hand, imagine how you would live your life if at any moment your doctor could put you to sleep and vivisect you, would this be a better reality?
The fact of the matter is: We don't like living in societies where people can randomly die, to say that the end goal is happiness is folly -- it's more about avoiding suffering. It's easier for us to live in societies where the real threat of being raped, mutilated or killed at any moment and so that's what our choice is.
Wish to heck I understood that.
Posted on 4/6/14 at 7:17 pm to LSU1NSEC
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not according to quantum theory. apparently the building blocks of matter (quarks and gluons) pop in and out of existence all the time - which means the subatomic particles that make up the matter in your body are constantly popping in and out of existence according to theory (don't ask me - too weird) Anyway, i got no problem believing in God.
Uh huh. Popping into existence .... from where? We can't even answer that - but that seems to be the interesting question, doesn't it?
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