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re: Intelligent Design Vs. Evolution
Posted on 4/14/14 at 1:59 pm to beejon
Posted on 4/14/14 at 1:59 pm to beejon
Don't get into morality and purpose of life bullshite arguments, you will get owned yet again. You try to misrepresent evolution and atheism, yet you demonstrate that you actually know little about either. I'm willing to bet you don't actually believe in the bible, if you followed its laws your actions would land you in prison. Fun reading: LINK
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Posted on 4/14/14 at 2:01 pm to beejon
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What is the purpose of life other than to survive and reproduce in the atheistic Darwinist view?
The onus is upon theists to do the research necessary to show that a deity should be included in science. Since no scientific theory excludes new input, any research would be subjected to peer reviews that would determine if the research results could be duplicated.
If they could be duplicated, then the results would be added to the theory. If they could not be duplicated, then they would be rejected. This is a self-evident principle of science.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 2:06 pm to NATidefan
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I'm past hoping these two will believe in evolution, I just want them to stop believing evolution has anything to do with atheism to and stop saying Darwinist atheistic theory.
Looks like im in good company
in the meantime you have completley misrepresented what I have stated, but never let a little thing like facts stand in the way of a good argumentPosted on 4/14/14 at 2:09 pm to Kentucker
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The onus is upon theists to do the research necessary to show that a deity should be included in science. Since no scientific theory excludes new input, any research would be subjected to peer reviews that would determine if the research results could be duplicated.
Our theory of evolution has become, as Popper described, one which cannot be refuted by any possible observations. Every conceivable observation can be fitted into it. It is thus ‘outside of empirical science but not necessarily false’. No one can think of ways in which to test it.”
Posted on 4/14/14 at 2:20 pm to mattloc
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Our theory of evolution has become, as Popper described, one which cannot be refuted by any possible observations.
True. It's a sound theory.
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Every conceivable observation can be fitted into it. It is thus ‘outside of empirical science but not necessarily false’.
Evolution is certainly not "outside of empirical science."
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No one can think of ways in which to test it.”
Biology students test it routinely in educational labs. I did myself in an undergraduate class. It was fun seeing bacteria evolve before my eyes.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 2:27 pm to Kentucker
one more gem
‘I myself am convinced that the theory of evolution, especially the extent to which it’s been applied, will be one of the great jokes in the history books of the future. Posterity will marvel that so very flimsy and dubious an hypothesis could be accepted with the incredible credulity that it has.’
‘I myself am convinced that the theory of evolution, especially the extent to which it’s been applied, will be one of the great jokes in the history books of the future. Posterity will marvel that so very flimsy and dubious an hypothesis could be accepted with the incredible credulity that it has.’
Posted on 4/14/14 at 2:43 pm to DCRebel
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The purpose of life, as I see it, is to live it however you want to live it so long as you're kind and respectful to your fellow man. In that sense, I believe that people should make their lives whatever they want them to be and enjoy their time as best as they can.
But that's just me.
EDIT: Can you conceive of the fact that there IS no life philosophy inherent in evolution? Because I honestly don't think there is.
I honestly think it is. If you are an entity which is the result of a series of random, meaningless and undirected events with your existence only to procreate as the fittest, then that shapes life philosophy. If you believe you're more than that, then there was purpose and direction and design in creation. That shapes yet another life philosophy.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 2:45 pm to RTOTA
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Don't get into morality and purpose of life bullshite arguments, you will get owned yet again. You try to misrepresent evolution and atheism, yet you demonstrate that you actually know little about either. I'm willing to bet you don't actually believe in the bible, if you followed its laws your actions would land you in prison.
Explain your life purpose other than an entity with no purpose other than to procreate as the fittest of your species. Now, compare it to atheism. And Darwinism. See if you agree with their philosophies.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 2:48 pm to mattloc
That better? However, an argument against evolution is pretty much empty without the religious aspect. There's tons of evidence of it. I would like to know how you believe all these animals came to exist without evolution using only science as an explanation. Not just the ones alive today, but the ones that died and became extinct in the past.
This post was edited on 4/14/14 at 2:49 pm
Posted on 4/14/14 at 2:49 pm to Kentucker
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The onus is upon theists to do the research necessary to show that a deity should be included in science. Since no scientific theory excludes new input, any research would be subjected to peer reviews that would determine if the research results could be duplicated.
If they could be duplicated, then the results would be added to the theory. If they could not be duplicated, then they would be rejected. This is a self-evident principle of science.
No, the burden is upon the Darwinist community to prove that by random, meaningless and undirected creation became tremendously complex and varied by those mechanisms. So far, there's no proof or evidence that such mechanisms produced life as we observe it today. There's the usual 'could have been' or 'mabye' or 'possibly' which is the foundation of atheistic Darwinist thought, but that's hardly scientific proof that we are the result of random, meaningless and undirected events.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 2:51 pm to mattloc
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Our theory of evolution has become, as Popper described, one which cannot be refuted by any possible observations. Every conceivable observation can be fitted into it. It is thus ‘outside of empirical science but not necessarily false’. No one can think of ways in which to test it.”
Not true. There is no observable evolutionary process which produced both plant and animal life, each becoming tremendously complex over time, by random, meaningless and undirected events. That doesn't exist.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 2:58 pm to beejon
Bout time.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 3:25 pm to beejon
I think you missed my point....It was intended to demonstrate the lack of observable evidence to autheticate its veracity ... I agree with your assessment BTW
Posted on 4/14/14 at 3:27 pm to beejon
Your stupidity sunk the thread.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 3:42 pm to beejon
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If you are an entity which is the result of a series of random, meaningless and undirected events with your existence only to procreate as the fittest, then that shapes life philosophy.
That. Isn't. Evolution. You. fricking. Imbecile.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 4:03 pm to TeLeFaWx
Posted on 4/14/14 at 4:17 pm to beejon
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I honestly think it is.
Okay, well I don't.
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If you are an entity which is the result of a series of random, meaningless and undirected events with your existence only to procreate as the fittest, then that shapes life philosophy.
It only shapes your life philosophy as much as you let it.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 5:07 pm to DCRebel
It has been a great thread. It seems unfair that it has been anchored. I learned a lot about the current position of evolution in society.
My fears about the anti-evolution conspiracy have abated. Evolution is accepted on its merits at last by those who educate and legislate.
My fears about the anti-evolution conspiracy have abated. Evolution is accepted on its merits at last by those who educate and legislate.
Posted on 4/14/14 at 5:37 pm to DCRebel
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If you are an entity which is the result of a series of random, meaningless and undirected events with your existence only to procreate as the fittest, then that shapes life philosophy.
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It only shapes your life philosophy as much as you let it.
Do you not believe it?
Posted on 4/15/14 at 12:41 am to beejon
I do believe it. That doesn't mean that I go around thinking "oh well, live is meaningless" all the time.
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