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re: Anyone here think improving our relations with Russia is a bad idea?

Posted on 7/18/18 at 10:49 am to
Posted by rockiee
Sugar Land, TX
Member since Jan 2015
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Posted on 7/18/18 at 10:49 am to
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I didn't like Hillary, but I think the media did a horrible job presenting her and her issues to the public


Eh, she really didn't do enough to help herself as well.

Another factor is how many Bernie supports didn't vote for Hillary? The DNC really could have handled that much better.
Posted by AUCatfish
How are yah now?
Member since Oct 2007
13995 posts
Posted on 7/18/18 at 10:52 am to
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I didn't like Hillary, but I think the media did a horrible job presenting her and her issues to the public, and a lot of that is because she and the DNC and her campaign failed in that regard. She actually had a lot of issues in her speeches that would have been greatly beneficial to the middle and lower classes.


You are probably right, clueless was a poor word choice. For me personally, I always got the feeling that she took the support of that group for granted and didn't push her ideas hard enough. I think your assertion that the media did her no favors has merit as well. My opinion is probably colored by my dislike for her. I voted for her, but I wasn't happy about it.
Posted by MoarKilometers
Member since Apr 2015
17884 posts
Posted on 7/18/18 at 11:01 am to
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ETA - One of her campaign issues was improving high speed internet access to rural areas. It's really hard to function in today's society without reliable, high speed internet access. Applying for jobs, finding suitable housing, paying bills, etc. That's just one area where I don't think the was clueless to working class issues.


You'd have to be disconnected to campaign on this. We gave away billions to at&t for this exact things... got almost nothing in return.
Posted by Korin
Member since Jan 2014
37935 posts
Posted on 7/18/18 at 11:36 am to
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A. Quit taking shite from 6 years ago out of context. 6 years ago, Russia was not the biggest threat to our Democracy. Romney and Obama were both competent quality candidates. There was no incompetent, ignorant, lying stooge that Russia could manipulate like a goddamn brainless puppet.

B. But, but Obama. But Hillary. But pizzagate. But pedophilia. Jesus Christ man. Find another fricking boogeyman to scare your arse off. This time, hopefully find one with an inkling of actual credibility while you are hiding under mom's bed posting nonsense.

You sound mad (and poor).
Posted by 1BamaRTR
In Your Head Blvd
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 7/18/18 at 12:12 pm to
Some of them are even convinced California will be going red in 2020.
Posted by PhilipMarlowe
Member since Mar 2013
20482 posts
Posted on 7/18/18 at 12:24 pm to
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He’s Putin’s bitch



Posted by piggilicious
Member since Jan 2011
37298 posts
Posted on 7/18/18 at 12:30 pm to
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You sound mad (and poor).


I was thinking unhinged, like a lot of the poli board posters just on the other side of things.
Posted by coachcrisp
pensacola, fl
Member since Jun 2012
30597 posts
Posted on 7/18/18 at 1:27 pm to
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Treason or not...You're saying that you support our President siding with Russia over the US and humiliating our country internationally by bending over and spreading his cheeks for Putin on live TV


PLEASE show me where I said that!
90% of this country have NO clue about how to negotiate with an adversary, and just fall all over themselves when the guy does something that they don't understand....don't listen to what he says...watch what he does.
Posted by Korin
Member since Jan 2014
37935 posts
Posted on 7/18/18 at 1:30 pm to
That dude is nuts when it comes to Trump. "He's a Nazi!"
Posted by cas4t
Member since Jan 2010
70894 posts
Posted on 7/18/18 at 2:26 pm to
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He has imposed sanctions twice on Russia, which Obama wouldn't do.



Posted by cas4t
Member since Jan 2010
70894 posts
Posted on 7/18/18 at 2:32 pm to
honestly, why do you have to bring politics to this board? I'm sure you're pretty active on the poli board. Just leave it there.
Posted by BowlJackson
Birmingham, AL
Member since Sep 2013
52881 posts
Posted on 7/18/18 at 3:02 pm to
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don't listen to what he says...watch what he does.


I did. He looked like he was about to cry.
Posted by coachcrisp
pensacola, fl
Member since Jun 2012
30597 posts
Posted on 7/18/18 at 3:05 pm to
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That dude is nuts when it comes to Trump. "He's a Nazi!"


I'm not a big fan of Trump (personally) either, but the guy's attempting to do what he told people he would do during his campaign. There are gonna be some very sad liberals in this country if he continues to improve our economy while tightening up our foreign affairs.
Posted by rockiee
Sugar Land, TX
Member since Jan 2015
28540 posts
Posted on 7/18/18 at 3:10 pm to
This thread would be more fun if

Liberals/Anyone who voted for Hillary: Said something positive that Trump has done

Conservatives/Anyone who voted for Trump: Said something negative that Trump has done

Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 7/18/18 at 3:16 pm to
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Liberals/Anyone who voted for Hillary: Said something positive that Trump has done




A couple of his pardons. Not Libby's or D'Souza's.
Posted by coachcrisp
pensacola, fl
Member since Jun 2012
30597 posts
Posted on 7/18/18 at 3:19 pm to
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quote:
don't listen to what he says...watch what he does.


I did. He looked like he was about to cry.

Son, you may be looking, but you obviously don't know what you're seeing.

"Just last April, the Trump administration imposed new sanctions on Russia — including strict sanctions on seven of Russia’s richest individuals and 17 top government officials for their interference in our elections.

The sanctions directly penalized President Vladimir Putin’s inner circle by prohibiting them from traveling to the United States ever again. He did this by opening a bank account in the West, preventing them from doing business with the West and prohibiting anyone else to do business on their behalf.

The sanctions were significant — among the toughest sanctions ever placed on individuals in a foreign country, with the exception of perhaps Iran and North Korea. Yet like many of Trump’s successes, it received minimal mainstream media coverage.

During his first month in office in January 2017, President Trump upheld strict sanctions to punish Russia for its unlawful 2014 annexation of Crimea. With those sanctions, the Trump administration punished more than three dozen individuals and organizations that were behind the invasion of Ukraine.

Even Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin had a hand in the actions, stating that there would be no easing of the sanctions until Russia meets its obligations under the 2015 Minsk agreement — the ceasefire agreement between Russia and Ukraine.

In August 2017, Trump signed a bill slapping even more sanctions on Russia — this time specifically aimed at the country’s energy and defense industries. Congress made the legislation Trump-proof, meaning that no executive order could ever undo such sanctions; yet Trump signed it anyway.

In fact it was Trump — not Obama — who ordered the closure of Russian diplomatic properties in San Francisco, Washington, D.C., and New York City that appeared to be a threat to American security.

It was also President Trump who shuttered the Russian consulate in Seattle.

To be sure, Obama kicked 35 Russian diplomats out of the country after suspected election meddling by Russia, but only after Trump won the 2016 election. It is questionable whether he would have done so had Hillary Clinton succeeded in being the victor.

Furthermore, it was President Trump who led the world in expelling Russian diplomats after the Russian government was suspected of carrying out a nerve agent attack in the United Kingdom against one of their former spies. President Trump moved swiftly to expel 60 Russian diplomats from U.S. soil, and other countries followed suit by expelling dozens as well.

In addition to stringent sanctions, President Trump has also called out Russia publicly."....not to mention the little message Trump sent to Russia in Syria last year...Obama didn't have the cajones to stand up to them.


Posted by rockiee
Sugar Land, TX
Member since Jan 2015
28540 posts
Posted on 7/18/18 at 3:23 pm to
Can you link that?
Posted by PhilipMarlowe
Member since Mar 2013
20482 posts
Posted on 7/18/18 at 3:25 pm to
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don't listen to what he says...watch what he does.


I did. He looked like he was about to cry.


trump looked like putin told him he was going to wear the strapon again. he looked like a neutered, pathetic gimp who had just been given his orders.


This post was edited on 7/18/18 at 3:29 pm
Posted by coachcrisp
pensacola, fl
Member since Jun 2012
30597 posts
Posted on 7/18/18 at 3:54 pm to
Posted by Tiger n Miami AU83
Miami
Member since Oct 2007
45656 posts
Posted on 7/18/18 at 4:09 pm to
1. The author of that article is a Republican Strategist. The article is pure fox news type propaganda.

2. Every one of the actions listed can be attributed to actions Congress forced down trumps throat that he resisted, did not like and in one case, the new sanctions, did not even implement under after the deadline to do so when he was forces to.

By the way, apparently he "misspoke" again today when he got confused between the definition of yes and no when asked if Russia was interfering in our elections. Yet another 180. Dude is a total joke.
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