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re: America Is Not For Black People
Posted on 8/13/14 at 10:43 am to I-59 Tiger
Posted on 8/13/14 at 10:43 am to I-59 Tiger
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Posted on 8/13/14 at 10:43 am to CheeseburgerEddie
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Doesn't mean other communities attitude of "not my problem" helps the situation. Lack of empathy and willingness to help is a real problem in this country.
Others aren't your problem in my opinion. I consider myself a centrist because I'm not a Libertarian or Conservative (but clearly not a Liberal) but they are responsible for themselves.
I don't do anything crazy in public here because I'm an American -- and I don't want it to reflect on the rest of my countrymen. Blacks, if they want to be respected need to restrain themselves regarding criminal activity.
There will always be racist or biased cops, but I usually bring up a story I had when I was younger (my best friend was Black) and it's when I realized that black children aren't taught the correct etiquette regarding police officers.
All the cop asked for was a name and he lied -- he had no warrants, nothing to do with law enforcement until that moment and ended up getting detained...for really no reason at all. I figure telling the truth to law enforcement in his family has always been discouraged, but that's just anecdotal evidence.
The only proof I have is the astronomical arrest rate of young black men.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 10:44 am to CheeseburgerEddie
that doesn't make any sense.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 10:44 am to I-59 Tiger
what doesn't?
Posted on 8/13/14 at 10:45 am to I-59 Tiger
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No,he makes a good point. Why do these same problems keep happening over and over and over in the inner city? I wouldn't say anyone 'WANTS' poverty,but how do you explain so many inner city girls/women having multiple illegitimate children?
Values in education is my answer, but I'm curious for his.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 10:47 am to CheeseburgerEddie
So,Eddie, you're saying people with little education, no money,little structure reproduce multiple times so they can keep themselves and their offspring in that rut? "I'm poor with little means to support myself, so I'm going to have kids to be even poorer." Is that it?
Posted on 8/13/14 at 10:47 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
I'm talking about trying to find ways we can try to work through solutions to the problem. A cultural shift is certainly needed see my previous posts about celebrating education, however I think one of our duties as a member of the human race is to help your neighbor.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 10:48 am to CheeseburgerEddie
The problem is a militarized police force. It is affecting everyone regardless of race. Right now it affects black people more due to preconceived prejudices that usually give white people benefit of the doubt.
But it's a problem that will grow if nothing is done to stop it. We should stop justifying it because of some "looting" or the victim was a "thug". If 100 were in the wrong and 1 persons liberty to engage in peaceful protest was violated then it's still not justified.
First they came for the socialists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialists. Then they came for the religious and I didn't speak out because I wasn't religious. Then they came for me, and nobody was left to speak for me
But it's a problem that will grow if nothing is done to stop it. We should stop justifying it because of some "looting" or the victim was a "thug". If 100 were in the wrong and 1 persons liberty to engage in peaceful protest was violated then it's still not justified.
First they came for the socialists, and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialists. Then they came for the religious and I didn't speak out because I wasn't religious. Then they came for me, and nobody was left to speak for me
Posted on 8/13/14 at 10:48 am to The Spleen
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"I'm gonna shoot you," the cop said.
The cop shot him once, but Brown pulled away
Forensics will be able to determine the position of the shooting to corroborate or disprove this, I would think.
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Officers have tanks now. They have drones. They have automatic rifles, and planes, and helicopters, and they go through military-style boot camp training.
Clearly this guy is a Waco nut and right wing sympathizer. Right?
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To even acknowledge this line of debate is to start a larger argument about the worth, the very personhood, of a black man in America. It's to engage in a cost-benefit analysis, weigh probabilities, and gauge the precise odds that Brown's life was worth nothing against the threat he posed to the life of the man who killed him. It's to deny that there are structural reasons why Brown was shot dead while James Eagan Holmes—who on July 20, 2012, walked into a movie theater and fired rounds into an audience, killing 12 and wounding 70 more—was taken alive
Forget the fact that each incident was handled by different agencies and personnel. I've yet to read him comparing any incidents or discussing the value of black men in Chicago, which has had over 1200 shootings this year already.
Clearly, there are issues of profiling, racism and prejudice against blacks in America. At times. But this article takes a blanket approach and insinuates and victimizes the entire race, without even attempting to discuss some of the underlying causes of it. Some of which, is the fault of the black community. I thought the piece was very lacking and was just another attempt to play the woe is us party line.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 10:48 am to CheeseburgerEddie
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I'm talking about trying to find ways we can try to work through solutions to the problem. A cultural shift is certainly needed see my previous posts about celebrating education, however I think one of our duties as a member of the human race is to help your neighbor.
Education and eugenics is the only way.
Sounds Nazish, I'll concede, but they have got to stop reproducing with no means to take care of their children. This is how resentment toward a group begins.
Edit: Similarly, this is how cyclical criminal behavior in conjunction with poverty pervades.
This post was edited on 8/13/14 at 10:52 am
Posted on 8/13/14 at 10:51 am to I-59 Tiger
"I'm poor with little means to support myself, so I'm going to have kids to be even poorer."
I'm saying that thought doesn't even cross their mind, and that it is the people without the things you mentioned who do that regardless of location or any other factors.
it is one way I guess, not one I would choose. As I said before there are no easy solutions without a clean slate. I guess your proposal is one way for a clean slate.
I'm saying that thought doesn't even cross their mind, and that it is the people without the things you mentioned who do that regardless of location or any other factors.
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Education and eugenics is the only way.
it is one way I guess, not one I would choose. As I said before there are no easy solutions without a clean slate. I guess your proposal is one way for a clean slate.
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Posted on 8/13/14 at 10:52 am to CheeseburgerEddie
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This post was edited on 8/13/14 at 10:55 am
Posted on 8/13/14 at 10:53 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
A poor black kid faces different kinds of institutional discrimination compared to a poor Asian.
I may type up some more when I get home from work.
I may type up some more when I get home from work.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 10:53 am to CheeseburgerEddie
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I'm saying that thought doesn't even cross their mind
And that is hard to imagine. Its hard to help and re-educate people with that mindset.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 10:54 am to CheeseburgerEddie
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I'm saying that thought doesn't even cross their mind, and that it is the people without the things you mentioned who do that regardless of location or any other factors.
How is their lack of common sense the problem of any other race? The education is there.
They have advocacy groups.
They have everyone telling them to stop doing it.
They just don't listen. They don't feel apart of this country because they're constantly being told everyone, everything is slanted against them.
The game's rigged from the beginning they'll say.
Privilege exists, but among a select few of Americans whose skin color affects nothing -- but that won't stop people from blanketing all white people of the same cloth and turning this into a full blown race war.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 10:56 am to weedGOKU666
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A poor black kid faces different kinds of institutional discrimination compared to a poor Asian.
I may type up some more when I get home from work.
I'll make sure to look out for it (I too have to go to work soon) but I of course respectfully disagree.
There are far more advocacy groups, a political party and more people who are more quickly willing to help a poor black man rehabilitate than a poor Asian, White or even Hispanic.
They get more chances than any other race and blatantly refuse them for the most part.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 10:56 am to weedGOKU666
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A poor black kid faces different kinds of institutional discrimination compared to a poor Asian.
So when a poor black kid does something stupid or wrong, you are saying its society's fault and said poor black kid has no obligation to take any responsibility?
Posted on 8/13/14 at 10:58 am to The Spleen
Why don't black people riot when a black male is killed by another black male?
When this question is answered, we can have an honest conversation about black stereotypes having unfortunate consequences.
I hate that this young man died. It sounds like it probably shouldn't have happened. But statistically the worst enemy of a young black man isn't a white police officer - it's another young black man.
The truth hurts.
When this question is answered, we can have an honest conversation about black stereotypes having unfortunate consequences.
I hate that this young man died. It sounds like it probably shouldn't have happened. But statistically the worst enemy of a young black man isn't a white police officer - it's another young black man.
The truth hurts.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 11:01 am to polydorr
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Why don't black people riot when a black male is killed by another black male?
When this question is answered, we can have an honest conversation about black stereotypes having unfortunate consequences.
I hate that this young man died. It sounds like it probably shouldn't have happened. But statistically the worst enemy of a young black man isn't a white police officer - it's another young black man.
The truth hurts
I actually mentioned this a few minutes ago that the most violent affronts facing young black men are other young black men. It's absolutely true given the statistics.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 11:02 am to polydorr
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Why don't black people riot when a black male is killed by another black male?
This meme is played out. Maybe they don't escalate to riots, but there are numerous examples of blacks holding marches and protests and working to reduce the number of black on black violence. Here are just a few examples..
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