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re: America Is Not For Black People
Posted on 8/13/14 at 9:37 am to CheeseburgerEddie
Posted on 8/13/14 at 9:37 am to CheeseburgerEddie
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I agree that it is the bigger issue, however I also think the police have the right to be better armed than the potential criminals they will see in the line of duty.
And that is a very real problem
In the "good old days" the criminals were smart enough to not shoot cops or civilians. I remember being in south florida in the early 80's when I first remember cops behind their car doors when pulling over suspicious cars. That was when the light bulb went off that this was a war zone.
Just look at these 2 pics
Cops in North America
Soldiers in the Ukraine
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Posted on 8/13/14 at 9:49 am to CheeseburgerEddie
Obviously there are many threads that make up the web of the problem. War on Drugs. Poverty. Education.
The first question, as with many problems we face, needs to concern if it's a symptom of other problems or a problem in and of its self.
The first question, as with many problems we face, needs to concern if it's a symptom of other problems or a problem in and of its self.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 9:55 am to cokebottleag
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Civilized communities do not deal with grief by rioting, burning, looting, and violence.
I blame West Virginia and other Yankee sports fans who started the plague that has now moved south. Couch burning was the gateway drug for Mountaineer fans.
Stop the madness!
Thank god those guys wound up in the Big 12 instead of the SEC!
Posted on 8/13/14 at 9:56 am to JustGetItRight
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The reasonS why the situation exists as it does is the discussion that must happen. There's not going to be one root cause or solution, but until it is addressed then nothing will change.
The really disappointing fact is that it won't be addressed. Too many liberals simply say war on drugs, education and economic, whitey discriminating again, etc and too many on the right say its the culture, entitlements, thugs gonna thug, etc.
As always, the truth's probably a combination but it is an extremely uncomfortable discussion that would inevitably lead to people on both sides admitting that they've been wrong so nobody's willing to have it. As a result black kids keep dying, white folks keep moving, and nothing changes at all.
Thank you. Upvoted.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 9:56 am to The Spleen
I've recently begun to believe that you can have either:
1. a high-trust culture, where kids can play in the street, and cops are friendly Andy Griffiths, or
2. Diversity.
A society can't have both.
1. a high-trust culture, where kids can play in the street, and cops are friendly Andy Griffiths, or
2. Diversity.
A society can't have both.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 9:59 am to Duke
I agree, I think it is a symptom, which contributes some to the overall problem now that it is in effect. I think in general it is necessary, although it does get taken to far in some cases and those cases get the most of the attention.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 10:01 am to cokebottleag
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Civilized communities do not deal with grief by rioting, burning, looting, and violence.
Absolutely, but in Ferguson's defense, it's being reported that many of the rioters/looters came from other areas.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 10:06 am to Numberwang
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A society can't have both.
I think they can if they are blended and not separate.
When I see white cops in black neighborhoods it is not the correct blend. Why are more black kids becoming thugs instead of cops? My guess is that starts at home and in neighborhoods. The media does not help when they act like entertainers (sports and non sports) are the easiest and best jobs to aspire to. We need to have kids growing up to want to become teachers and accountants.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 10:08 am to Cheese Grits
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When I see white cops in black neighborhoods it is not the correct blend.
So black cops for black neighborhoods. That kinda proves my belief is more correct than not.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 10:09 am to Cheese Grits
Yep, lets have nationally televised awards and celebrations for academic, social, business, and scientific achievement instead of just for sports and entertainment.
Nobody (very few people) celebrates eduction and young people notice that.
Nobody (very few people) celebrates eduction and young people notice that.
This post was edited on 8/13/14 at 10:10 am
Posted on 8/13/14 at 10:12 am to Numberwang
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So black cops for black neighborhoods. That kinda proves my belief is more correct than not.
No, local cops for local neighborhoods.
If you have all black neighborhood maybe 80 B / 20 W
If you have all white neighborhood maybe 80 W / 20 B
If you have mixed neighborhood maybe 50 B / 50 W
The problem is we have very few really blended neighborhoods in the USA
If you have all hispanic neighborhood maybe 100% INS (I kid)
Posted on 8/13/14 at 10:16 am to Cheese Grits
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When I see white cops in black neighborhoods it is not the correct blend.
This is weird. I get it. But it's weird. Why is it not the correct blend to have white cops in black neighborhoods but it's just diversity to have black cops in white neighborhoods? It's not an easy answer, but the question is still there.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 10:27 am to Porter Osborne Jr
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Nothing will change until the people who live there want to change.
I like how you can just hand-wave the systemic issues facing the inner city like this. As if the people that live there actually want to live in poverty and danger.
What you claim is just an easy excuse to do nothing.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 10:33 am to Cheese Grits
I don't even really think it needs to be broken down by racial lines. I graduated high school at a school that was 70% black. I got along great with the black students, and had I chosen to go into law enforcement, I think I'd have done fine being on the beat in a predominantly black area of town. I learned to relate to them. Some friends that went to a different high school that was 95% white would not have succeeded.
But really, I don't think cops have changed all that much. They've always felt their badge gave them a sense of superiority and commanded respect. I think people are just more aware of their civil rights now, and with social media and such aren't afraid to challenge cops. As a result, police departments have upped the ante with their militarization. They've turned to fear and intimidation.
But really, I don't think cops have changed all that much. They've always felt their badge gave them a sense of superiority and commanded respect. I think people are just more aware of their civil rights now, and with social media and such aren't afraid to challenge cops. As a result, police departments have upped the ante with their militarization. They've turned to fear and intimidation.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 10:33 am to Aubie Spr96
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The article also misses a key fact: the vast majority of violent crime is caused by or against black males aged 18-24.
By other black males.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 10:34 am to the808bass
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This is weird. I get it. But it's weird.
That is the paradox because we see color instead of community
When I was younger and we had beat cops, they actually knew the folks in the neighborhood. It was a black neighborhood so we had mostly black cops, but we did have some white ones too (usually irish or italian) .
I suppose another way to do this would be to randomly assign cops to live in random neighborhoods but not sure you could enforce it. It is amazing when cities to "Live Where You Work" programs yet they do not include cops and firefighters. Maybe it is a union thing.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 10:36 am to weedGOKU666
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I like how you can just hand-wave the systemic issues facing the inner city like this. As if the people that live there actually want to live in poverty and danger.
What you claim is just an easy excuse to do nothing.
There is a different mentality among the majority black poor and the majority Asian poor. I've lived in both types of neighborhoods (or had friends within them) and the narrative is way, way different from a black family than an Asian family.
"You better be good at sports because everyone here is racist/bigoted/privileged so you won't succeed, everything is against you."
Vs.
"You better do well in school so you don't have to work like we do. B's are unacceptable, you need to get into a good college, get a good job and be educated. It's just a system like anything else that can be manipulated."
A lot of black problems originate in the black community -- Period. From their views on education to their views on law enforcement.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 10:38 am to weedGOKU666
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This post was edited on 8/13/14 at 10:41 am
Posted on 8/13/14 at 10:38 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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A lot of black problems originate in the black community -- Period. From their views on education to their views on law enforcement.
Doesn't mean other communities attitude of "not my problem" helps the situation. Lack of empathy and willingness to help is a real problem in this country.
ETA - it is also more along the lines of most poor communities.
This post was edited on 8/13/14 at 10:43 am
Posted on 8/13/14 at 10:40 am to weedGOKU666
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I like how you can just hand-wave the systemic issues facing the inner city like this. As if the people that live there actually want to live in poverty and danger. What you claim is just an easy excuse to do nothing.
No,he makes a good point. Why do these same problems keep happening over and over and over in the inner city? I wouldn't say anyone 'WANTS' poverty,but how do you explain so many inner city girls/women having multiple illegitimate children?
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