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Posted on 8/13/14 at 11:03 am to The Spleen
Posted on 8/13/14 at 11:03 am to The Spleen
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This meme is played out. Maybe they don't escalate to riots, but there are numerous examples of blacks holding marches and protests and working to reduce the number of black on black violence. Here are just a few examples..
That's not the same.
There's a reason those don't turn into riots either. This is just a good excuse to extort the system and that's it. Period.
They riot like this because there's been a precedent set in the past that if one of your own are killed by the police you can scream racism no matter how justified it was and then riot and people like the one who conjured the article can gloss over it.
They see it as an opportunity, not a tragedy.
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Posted on 8/13/14 at 11:07 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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This is just a good excuse to extort the system and that's it. Period.
This is a truism.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 11:08 am to The Spleen
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This meme is played out.
No meme. Honest question.
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ut there are numerous examples of blacks holding marches and protests and working to reduce the number of black on black violence.
This is a good thing, and we've had some of these same initiatives in our city when things get bad. The thing is that they're rarely impactful. Mothers and grandmothers talking through megaphones are a lot quieter than young 20-something males rampaging through Wal-Mart.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 11:09 am to I-59 Tiger
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Why do these same problems keep happening over and over and over in the inner city? I wouldn't say anyone 'WANTS' poverty,but how do you explain so many inner city girls/women having multiple illegitimate children?
Someone needs to take a trip to Appalachia.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 11:10 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
Look nobody is saying that the poor black man who kills someone or anyone who is a violent criminal doesn't have the responsibility of their actions.
You can say it isn't your problem, but do you just not give a shite about the good people struggling to survive and thrive in those communities. Call it white guilt if you want, but I want to help those people even though I am not a part of that community.
You can say it isn't your problem, but do you just not give a shite about the good people struggling to survive and thrive in those communities. Call it white guilt if you want, but I want to help those people even though I am not a part of that community.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 11:10 am to The Spleen
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This meme is played out
No,its not. Sure there are isolated incidences which gather a few dozen folks.Very little attention is given the event. But something like a Ferguson or Trayvon hundreds who never knew the guy come flying out of no where.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 11:11 am to c on z
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Someone needs to take a trip to Appalachia.
Good point and same question. Why keep doing the same stuff over and over that hold yourself back. Works the same way.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 11:12 am to The Spleen
i'm actually with Eddie on this one.
i agree that there is a problem with the police militarization and a problem with young black men dying from it.
that's about where i end my agreements with the author.
Police militarization is something that can be acted on pretty easily if the right people in elected power do something about it.
the root of the other problem i laid out on the small town thread. until we can start calling a spade a spade without being racists, there is not a thing we can do about it. and we have to wait for the older racists teaching racism to die out.
like Eddie said... a clean slate.
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I don't agree with many of his/her conclusions, but he lays an appropriate foundation..
i agree that there is a problem with the police militarization and a problem with young black men dying from it.
that's about where i end my agreements with the author.
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As always this discussion only leads to more questions as to the root of the problem, which is so complex at this point it is just about impossible to correct without a clean slate
Police militarization is something that can be acted on pretty easily if the right people in elected power do something about it.
the root of the other problem i laid out on the small town thread. until we can start calling a spade a spade without being racists, there is not a thing we can do about it. and we have to wait for the older racists teaching racism to die out.
like Eddie said... a clean slate.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 11:13 am to CheeseburgerEddie
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Look nobody is saying that the poor black man who kills someone or anyone who is a violent criminal doesn't have the responsibility of their actions.
Sadly, this is exactly what a lot of people are saying. 'Muh povertyz' and the ever-pedantic 'oh but the socioeconomic factors!' are incredibly common and basically come to one conclusion: these people are not responsible for their actions.
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You can say it isn't your problem, but do you just not give a shite about the good people struggling to survive and thrive in those communities.
Honestly, you'd be surprised how many white people really, really want the black communities to thrive, because they live and work alongside them and see that most people are basically good. But people are just not willing to risk their kids and livelihood trying to act like the elephant in the room isn't actually there.
That basically sums up 90% of white flight.
This post was edited on 8/13/14 at 11:14 am
Posted on 8/13/14 at 11:13 am to CheeseburgerEddie
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Call it white guilt if you want, but I want to help those people even though I am not a part of that community.
Honest question Eddie, how many people do you know in those communities?
Posted on 8/13/14 at 11:15 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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There's a reason those don't turn into riots either.
True, there is one element missing that prevents them from escalating to a riot - a heavy police presence. Not blaming every riot/looting situation on the police, but they are sometimes the catalyst that sets off an angry, emotional mob.
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They riot like this because there's been a precedent set in the past that if one of your own are killed by the police you can scream racism no matter how justified it was and then riot and people like the one who conjured the article can gloss over it.
I don't think they all assemble with the the preconceived plan to riot. I'm sure some show up with that in mind, but I would imagine that is a small minority. There's usually a long build up of tension between the protesters and law enforcement until one side makes a dumb mistake that sets off the crowd.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 11:19 am to AUnite
I grew up in a privelidged community. I was exposed to the other side through certain community service projects. Financial situations change and I now rent and pay off student loans like many other people. When I got to college I became good friends with someone, an older person, who was born poor and worked his whole life and rented a small house without central air. He was in the military and worked as a groundskeeper, etc. once he was out until about two or three years before he died. Meeting and interacting with him gave me some very different views. I worked with United Way for a while when looking for a real job and now I assist a local group tutoring younger children whenever I can and they need the help. Working through a new job gives me limited time so in the last year I have not been able to help out as much as I would like.
This post was edited on 8/13/14 at 11:26 am
Posted on 8/13/14 at 11:22 am to CheeseburgerEddie
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You can say it isn't your problem, but do you just not give a shite about the good people struggling to survive and thrive in those communities. Call it white guilt if you want, but I want to help those people even though I am not a part of that community.
I am of a like mind. The problem is the solutions are wide reaching and conplex. That's ignoring the decades of neglect and poverty that have served to reinforce the decay of the inner cities.
The drug trade is a huge factor. The violence from gangs trying to control territory. The felony arrests that all but prevent the ability to get a legitimate job. So now you have areas with little economic viability so young kids turn to the lucrative drug trade to make some cash and we repeat the cycle. Then those with ability find a way out and never come back and the brain drain continutes.
That's just one factor and it's a complicated beast to unwrap.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 11:26 am to Duke
The irony is people keep equating Ferguson with an inner city ghetto when it is actually a suburb that has a decent middle class presence. I think I read the poverty rate was still around 25%, but the area doesn't really sound like the stereotypical, poverty-stricken inner city.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 11:30 am to The Spleen
It reflects to the larger themes of urban poverty and increased police aggression.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 11:31 am to Duke
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increased police aggression.
Yolo
Posted on 8/13/14 at 11:33 am to Rebelgator
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Yolo
Posted on 8/13/14 at 11:35 am to polydorr
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Why don't black people riot when a black male is killed by another black male?
When this question is answered, we can have an honest conversation about black stereotypes having unfortunate consequences.
Most black on black murders are gang related. Those who are a part of this understand the risks associated with being in a gang. By participating in such activities, this renders them not innocent so it's not outrageous to the community when one gets shot.
An innocent person being shot dead by police, which is an arm of the government that we elect to protect us, is cause for outrage. We should expect better from our police and government.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 11:35 am to Rebelgator
I always figured you more the violate your rights kind of cop and not so much the brutality type.
Posted on 8/13/14 at 11:38 am to Duke
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That's just one factor and it's a complicated beast to unwrap.
That's the thing, it's not that complicated. People do bad stuff, and the bad mojo continues in their communities because these same people are having children and raising them. Sad stuff, but it's fact. Why is it my responsibility to bend over backwards and act like that's not what's happening? Why all the mental gymnastics from politically correct wanna-be-Pulitzers trying to make it something other than what it is?
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