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Lonnie Utah
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re: 20 years ago today Dale Earnhardt was killed. NASCAR never recovered.
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This is only one problem of many, but who do they think the playoff format reeled in? Can you think of one person you know who wasn't into Nascar but all of a sudden became a fan because of the chase? Makes no sense at all. Even the NHRA has a "playoff" now and I've yet to talk to a single person who likes it. Who do these executives get these dumbass ideas from?


People love to complain about the playoff system. But it's been a benefit to the sport. Most of the folks complaining don't remember the years where the championship was wrapped up 2-3-4 weeks before the season ended. What we have now is much better than that scenario where the last races of the year were meaningless.


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re: 20 years ago today Dale Earnhardt was killed. NASCAR never recovered.
Someone needs to show OP that we have other boards. We have an entire NASCAR thread on the More Sports Board. I think there would be a better response to this thread if it were on the correct board (More Sports Board).
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GulfCoastOutlaw
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re: 20 years ago today Dale Earnhardt was killed. NASCAR never recovered.
The playoff system has not equaled better tv ratings. The playoffs system rewards being average. Most old school fans don't even understand how it works. Every time they make a change it does not help. At 1 time I used to see people with nascar stuff all the time, tags on cars etc but never now.
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GulfCoastOutlaw
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re: 20 years ago today Dale Earnhardt was killed. NASCAR never recovered.
You are 100% correct. All these drivers are sterile robots.

They should make a rule if a driver does not cuss or at least 1 fist fight a year he is suspended the next year.


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GulfCoastOutlaw
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re: 20 years ago today Dale Earnhardt was killed. NASCAR never recovered.
Typical Auburn fan. Go watch Jersey shore.


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Lonnie Utah
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re: 20 years ago today Dale Earnhardt was killed. NASCAR never recovered.
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The playoff system has not equaled better tv ratings. The playoffs system rewards being average. Most old school fans don't even understand how it works. Every time they make a change it does not help. At 1 time I used to people with nascar stuff all the time, tags on cars etc but never now.


But the playoffs themselves aren't the reason for Nascar's demise. People often get that confused. It was just the implementation of the playoff system that corresponded with the same factors that were starting to drag down the sport. Most of those have been mentioned, but add to them stepping outside of the traditional NASCAR footprint (which was good in some ways, bad in others), the lack of any defined/strong personalities, lack of diver rivalries, the neutering of the manufactures rivalries and a myriad of other things. I'll also add Jimmy Johnson winning five in a row did not help the sport.

At the same time, track were raising ticket prices but more detrimentally, hotels were gouging race fans. Race weekends, they jacked their prices up to 200%-300%+ of normal AND required 3 night minimum stays. Thta simply made it WAY to expensive for the average, casual race fan.

The playoffs came in during these transitions and was a stop gap to try and add excitement to the sport. Which it has. People like to pin the decline of nascar on the playoffs, but for the first 2/3's of the year, it doesn't have any effect. Those races are still just as empty as the playoff races.

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Lonnie Utah
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The heartbeat of Nascar was in the Carolinas and look at it now: no North Wilkesboro, no Rockingham and they screwed with Darlington for a time. Then you have the France family basically trying to disavow the very people who made their sport popular by banning Confederate regalia. And now your drivers are a bunch of Yankees with zero personality whatsoever. No wonder Southerners have turned it off.



I hear you, but it wasn't nascar that pulled the races from those tracks. It was the track owners. They pulled the races away from the small venues to move to larger race tracks in the other parts of the country. Look no further than Texas motor speedway and Bruton Smith as an example.

Now I think there is a MASSIVE conflict of interest form Nascar to own International Speedway Corporation which is the track owner for most of the tracks that NASCAR competes on. So they get to assign the races to the tracks AND profit from the races at those tracks as well. But that's another discussion.
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Lonnie Utah
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re: 20 years ago today Dale Earnhardt was killed. NASCAR never recovered.
If you've not seen it, you should watch the special The Day It goes through the whole incident from start to finish. A lot of it is from Michael Waltrip's point of view. But they interview Scharader, Mikey, DW and RC. It's a really good watch and will bring a tear to your eye.


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bstew3006
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For the first time in a very long time, this season has the potential for us to see something new and exciting. From racing on dirt a Bristol, to the Circuit of the Americas, double headers at Texas and Pocono, multiple road course, Darlington twice, etc, etc this sets up to be one of the most interesting NASCAR seasons in history.



Need a double at HotLanta

After missing the past 2 years, I’ll finally be back in my infield camping spot at Dega
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Lonnie Utah
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re: 20 years ago today Dale Earnhardt was killed. NASCAR never recovered.
Another thing that has not been mentioned in this thread. The safety measures NASCAR implemented after Earnhardt's death have trickled down and outward to many other racing series. For example, head and neck restraints are required in every major racing series. Who knows how many lives these devices have saved? Also one that doesn't get a lot of recognition is the required standard replacement of driver restraints in the vehicle. Most folks don't remember the details, but one of Dale's lap belts failed in the crash causing him to hit the steering wheel. Nascar (and many other series) now requires these belts be replaced after so many races.


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JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
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re: 20 years ago today Dale Earnhardt was killed. NASCAR never recovered.
Might be time for another noose in a garage


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Ridgewalker
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re: 20 years ago today Dale Earnhardt was killed. NASCAR never recovered.
The Day Nascar died! And it's my birthday so I am always reminded.

I was watching, saw the wreck and immediately stated saying check on Dale...'cause it looked bad. He was already gone.


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kywildcatfanone
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Maybe the worst day in sports history.



Not funny.


nicholastiger
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re: 20 years ago today Dale Earnhardt was killed. NASCAR never recovered.
Sec needs to add nascar as a sport
No title ix issues both men and women could compete
Could use existing tracks around south with sec title race at Daytona


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BamaELCo
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RogerTheShrubber
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re: 20 years ago today Dale Earnhardt was killed. NASCAR never recovered.
I have a cousin who used to race, Ernie Irvan.
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nicholastiger
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re: 20 years ago today Dale Earnhardt was killed. NASCAR never recovered.
Plus at end of every race they start wrecking to set up restarts


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Drebin
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re: 20 years ago today Dale Earnhardt was killed. NASCAR never recovered.
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Then on a side note, the restraint system that was put in place after Earnhardt's death saved Gordon's life.



Dale Earnhardt probably survives that crash if he wears a regular helmet. He still insisted on those chinless helmets and the story I read was that the impact of his chin on the wheel is what did him in.

I say all of that to say this...they had started using the harness already and had the better helmets but Dale wasn't having any of it. He was old school and stubborn about it, so I'm not sure he would've ever agreed to wear that harness.


Cocotheape
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re: 20 years ago today Dale Earnhardt was killed. NASCAR never recovered.
Just like everything else, too much money sterilized NASCAR.

NASCAR tried to make up for this with created drama of the playoffs. I don’t mind it as a casual fan but it’s an awful way to crown a champion.

On top of all this, moving to new 1.5 ovals that no one cared about made the individual races less meaningful. Winning at North Wilesboro meant something to a driver and fans who grew up in the Carolinas. Winning at Kansas doesn’t mean much to fans from the Carolinas and drivers from all over.

Additionally, INDYCAR/CART shenanigans hurt NASCAR in the long run, in my opinion. It accelerated the nationalization and sterilization of NASCAR because there was no other alternative for American drivers and brands in motorsport.


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