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Posted on 10/7/18 at 12:41 am to reedus23
Posted on 10/7/18 at 12:41 am to reedus23
We are SEC good against the run. Maybe we do have a chance against Ky since they are a run oriented team.
But the LB's in pass coverage. Sparks and Hilton. No pass rush especially if Beckner gets double teamed. nightmarish
But the LB's in pass coverage. Sparks and Hilton. No pass rush especially if Beckner gets double teamed. nightmarish
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Posted on 10/7/18 at 2:42 am to JesusQuintana
Campbell took Iowa St. to a bowl last year. Which is no easy task. And beat a pair of top 5 teams. And just beat another ranked team on the road today. I can’t think of one quality win Odom has had in his 2+ years here.
Posted on 10/7/18 at 3:56 am to CRDNLSCHMCPSN11
Good for him. I mean if you want to say Campbell was the guy then ok, but you’re using hindsight to justify it which we obviously won’t have the advantage of if we have to make another hire.
He’s still under .500 at Iowa St and his defenses have stunk. I’m not sure he’d be getting a statue built here either.
He’s still under .500 at Iowa St and his defenses have stunk. I’m not sure he’d be getting a statue built here either.
Posted on 10/7/18 at 8:40 am to wubilli
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The defense is what I thought they would be. There’s a talent issue there that going to take time to fix. Between Walters, Odom and a former NFL DC they still can’t stop anyone with a passing game.
The bigger question is why can't our guys match patterns. Being in the right spot doesn't require 5* measurables. Monachino and Odom are both LB/front 7 guys. This is all falling on Walters and it isn't getting better.
The secondary continues to look clueless and makes slow under calls leaving a slot or TE a ton of space. Every offense they face has a smash concept and they get crushed by it by not making an under call quick enough. That call effects how the LBs adjust their depth which in turn puts them out of position.
I don't buy the talent angle at all, especially against teams like SC and Purdue
Posted on 10/7/18 at 8:49 am to JesusQuintana
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and his defenses have stunk
Really a shitty point as if the Odom defenses have not been hot garbage.
Posted on 10/7/18 at 4:52 pm to JesusQuintana
All I’m saying is Campbell has vastly outcoached Odom since they both became head coaches in 2016.
Posted on 10/7/18 at 9:08 pm to Tackle74
I wasn’t comparing the two. You’re missing the point.
If you say we should have hired 13-17 Matt Campbell then so be it, but we’ll never have the benefit of hindsight while making a hire.
And again, even using hindsight he’s not exactly blowing Odom’s doors off. Their records are pretty similar and BO coaches in the tougher league. Yes, they beat OU once. Very nice win for them. He’s not exactly setting the world on fire.
He was a gamble, just like BO. Maybe he’s a bit better in the long run, but the point is we have to roll the dice with any hire.
If you say we should have hired 13-17 Matt Campbell then so be it, but we’ll never have the benefit of hindsight while making a hire.
And again, even using hindsight he’s not exactly blowing Odom’s doors off. Their records are pretty similar and BO coaches in the tougher league. Yes, they beat OU once. Very nice win for them. He’s not exactly setting the world on fire.
He was a gamble, just like BO. Maybe he’s a bit better in the long run, but the point is we have to roll the dice with any hire.
Posted on 10/10/18 at 7:31 pm to navynuke
quote:I agree. The talent thing is relative to who we are comparing to. I posted on this board at the beginning of the season based on talent we should win at least 9 games. It's working out great
I don't buy the talent angle at all, especially against teams like SC and Purdue
This post was edited on 10/10/18 at 7:33 pm
Posted on 10/10/18 at 9:13 pm to countrygrammar
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Moorhead is about to win a top 10 contest in year one against Auburn with Mississippi St. and we are making excuses for our program in year 3.
Spin it however you want, even with two losses he held up well against top 15 teams where we have seen blowouts of 2TD’s plus in our ranked matchups.
That’s why this gets frustrating.
MSU have better talents than Missouri. Also MSU was rank before the season started. Why was Missouri not rank before the season started? The expert was looking at talents teams with a good quarterback and hired a coach with no head coach experience. But the talents was too much for them not to be rank in the top 25. Then you have Missouri just not ready and the unknown with OC Dooley. But Missouri IS playing a lot better than the team was a year ago.
Posted on 10/10/18 at 9:22 pm to CRDNLSCHMCPSN11
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All I’m saying is Campbell has vastly outcoached Odom since they both became head coaches in 2016.
Campbell spent a few years at Toledo as the HC. That experience makes a difference. They still have basically the same record at the P5 level. It’s too early to tell if either are actually going to be good coaches at this level. Although I do think both will be good P5 coaches.
Posted on 10/10/18 at 9:24 pm to MIZ_COU
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Al is a loss
Ky and Fl are very likely losses.
Memphis is a toss up
Tn and Arky and Vandy are winnable but Arky is improving and Vandy isn't a powder puff
6-6 is likely
and I don't see better than 7-5
I hope Sterk is looking around for a proven HC so we can start rebuilding yet again
I said Missouri would be 8-4. I am still on target for that. So far 2 of the losses could have been wins. That is not saying Barry lost the team and the game was a blowout loss. Missouri played a hard fought game. Wait til next year and see if Missouri can do even better or the same since Lock will be gone and a new quarterback will be taken over and might need a year to get more comfortable to get the offense going. This is what I am seeing give barry Odom 5 years to see a continual progress. If barry Odom fail to show progress this year and gets blown out like early last year. Then yes we could make a change then. That is why 5 years is a good plan to see progress each year. I forgot to add OC Dooley is in his first ever as OC and he should be better next year and would learn from mistakes from this year and make adjustments and so forth. Give Barry odom time to get the coaches staffs time to gell and make things work over a couple of years. Barry had to fire DC last year that was his buddy. Had to get the players to learn the defense all over again. OC bolt and refuse to be at the bowl game hurt Missouri in recruiting. But I am impress with the hire of Dooley. Give Dooley time to get comfortable being an OC. You think things can automatic be fix in first year with the lack of experiences? I like what IO am seeing but give another year and things should be better and got to work together as a team for a while in order to build the program. Gary Pinkel did not fire his coaching staffs because he was being loyalty to them. That is what hurt Missouri progress. You need to have a consistency of a coaching staffs so that the players and coaching staffs will not have to learn all over again with a new coach. This is the plan Barry Odom is to keep the OC for a while to build the program. Let give Barry a chance to get it going to 5 years and make it worth it. If Kentucky went 6 years with this head coach to get it new heights, then Missouri should do the same and I do like what I am seeing so far. I know those two loses could have been wins but it is a progress to the right direction.
This post was edited on 10/10/18 at 9:43 pm
Posted on 10/10/18 at 9:36 pm to TrueLefty
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MSU have better talents than Missouri. Also MSU was rank before the season started.
Im interested to hear more on this. Prove to me Mississippi State has more talent than Missouri.
Posted on 10/10/18 at 9:39 pm to TrueLefty
I don't see how Barry gets away with 6 or 7 wins every season.
You're basically paying for 3 of them. We play typically bad FBS teams as our 4th OOC game. That's 4 wins most seasons.
Going 2-6 in the SEC is not good. Simply going to a bowl is mediocrity.
You're basically paying for 3 of them. We play typically bad FBS teams as our 4th OOC game. That's 4 wins most seasons.
Going 2-6 in the SEC is not good. Simply going to a bowl is mediocrity.
Posted on 10/10/18 at 9:42 pm to TigerCruise
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You're basically paying for 3 of them. We play typically bad FBS teams as our 4th OOC game. That's 4 wins most seasons.
You realize we play a P5 team every year, and we go on the road half the time right? Paying for 3 of them?
Posted on 10/10/18 at 9:46 pm to countrygrammar
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MSU have better talents than Missouri. Also MSU was rank before the season started.
Im interested to hear more on this. Prove to me Mississippi State has more talent than Missouri.
It was all over on the SEC rant that MSU have a much better talents by a mile! That is why they were rank in the top 25 even though the head coach is in his first year.
Posted on 10/10/18 at 9:47 pm to JesusQuintana
I mentioned that as the 4th team?
Mizzou this year played an FCS Team, Wyoming, Big 10 bottom feeder Purdue, and Memphis.
That is 4 gimme wins almost every year.
Mizzou this year played an FCS Team, Wyoming, Big 10 bottom feeder Purdue, and Memphis.
That is 4 gimme wins almost every year.
Posted on 10/10/18 at 9:48 pm to TigerCruise
But I should feel good about 2-6 or 3-5 in the SEC most years? Garbage. We play Vanderbilt, Arkansas, Kentucky, and Tennessee every season.
This post was edited on 10/10/18 at 9:49 pm
Posted on 10/10/18 at 9:52 pm to TigerCruise
Mizzou went 4-4 last season in the SEC. and still has a pretty good shot at that this season.
Posted on 10/10/18 at 9:53 pm to wubilli
8 wins would be a decent season.
Posted on 10/10/18 at 9:59 pm to TigerCruise
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I mentioned that as the 4th team?
Mizzou this year played an FCS Team, Wyoming, Big 10 bottom feeder Purdue, and Memphis.
That is 4 gimme wins almost every year.
So you do not see any improvement from last year? You already made up your mind that Barry Odom is not good enough! You want a splashy hire! LOL that will never happen in Missouri. Barry Odom is the one I think can get to be a good head coach and will need to be given time to make it happen. Did you know Nick Saban was not a great head coach at Michigan State? It takes time and I do see Barry Odom to be an up coming head coach. You got to give him an annually progress of the team.
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