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Posted on 10/6/18 at 9:41 pm to Mizzou4ever
Posted on 10/6/18 at 9:41 pm to Mizzou4ever
You misspelled stupid
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Posted on 10/6/18 at 9:55 pm to Mizzou4ever
Well, like I said G5 experience is no bigger guarantee of success than hiring a coordinator.
5 of the coaches in the East had no prior experience
3 in the West.
That’s over half the coaches in the SEC and includes programs like Tennessee, Georgia and Auburn.
You argue that Odom never should have got the job because he didn’t have HC experience but as you see that’s just not reality. If we fire Odom, we’ll be hiring the same “type” of guy. A gamble. Established P5 coaches rarely switch jobs and we ain’t getting one.
I don’t know how you can say Odom shouldn’t have been hired without offering some some type of allternative. Rhoades damn near hired Sonny Dykes. Would that have been better? The only guy that you could argue that would have been better that we were even somewhat connected to would be Matt Campbell and he’s 13-17 and Iowa St.
It seems you were underwhelmed with Odom’s resume at the time of hire...if that’s true you will be underwhelmed again.
5 of the coaches in the East had no prior experience
3 in the West.
That’s over half the coaches in the SEC and includes programs like Tennessee, Georgia and Auburn.
You argue that Odom never should have got the job because he didn’t have HC experience but as you see that’s just not reality. If we fire Odom, we’ll be hiring the same “type” of guy. A gamble. Established P5 coaches rarely switch jobs and we ain’t getting one.
I don’t know how you can say Odom shouldn’t have been hired without offering some some type of allternative. Rhoades damn near hired Sonny Dykes. Would that have been better? The only guy that you could argue that would have been better that we were even somewhat connected to would be Matt Campbell and he’s 13-17 and Iowa St.
It seems you were underwhelmed with Odom’s resume at the time of hire...if that’s true you will be underwhelmed again.
Posted on 10/6/18 at 10:15 pm to JesusQuintana
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t seems you were underwhelmed with Odom’s resume at the time of hire...if that’s true you will be underwhelmed again.
You make a good point here. Unless Mizzou wants to spend $5MM plus, we will always be competing for an upstart.
And if we are spending $5MM+ that means we can also give out a little more to our players in their envelopes and get consistent top 15-30 recruiting classes.
Posted on 10/6/18 at 10:15 pm to JesusQuintana
Okay, since you seem to have your ducks in order. Was Odom the right man for the job or not? And if he isn't, where do we go from here? You can rationalize in your head all you want, but you will have a hard time convincing people there wasn't a Toledo level proven HC in all of college that wouldn't of taken this job then, or now. Maybe the right choice this time around is a coordinator, just needs to be the right one, which of course, is why a proven HC is the safer course.
Posted on 10/6/18 at 10:20 pm to MIZ_COU
If we’re 6-6 or better, Odom should be retained. And if he can get to 5 wins next year, we should probably retain him again.
It doesn’t make sense to tear down the house every three years and rebuild it.
But Barry is going to have to realize he doesn’t have all the answers. He thinks he can just throw some coaches out there and make it happen. We need some proven coordinators. The Barry as head coach and coordinator experiment should’ve been over after year 2.
If he can’t adjust that mindset, then I think you have to make a move. If he can adjust there, then I think you keep him if we can get bowl eligible.
It doesn’t make sense to tear down the house every three years and rebuild it.
But Barry is going to have to realize he doesn’t have all the answers. He thinks he can just throw some coaches out there and make it happen. We need some proven coordinators. The Barry as head coach and coordinator experiment should’ve been over after year 2.
If he can’t adjust that mindset, then I think you have to make a move. If he can adjust there, then I think you keep him if we can get bowl eligible.
Posted on 10/6/18 at 10:40 pm to the808bass
I don't think Sterk wants to keep him at 6-6 but that is just a guess.
I'm not all about firing him at this point, it would be a tear down. He has some glaring deficiencies but is doing well/ getting better in other areas.
But to be honest at 6-6, if there was a Group of 5 coach available with a Pinkel type resume (.659 winning percentage in 10 years with a conference championship and a top 25 finish), I'd take it.
Or Neal Brown from Troy. I'd take it
I'm not all about firing him at this point, it would be a tear down. He has some glaring deficiencies but is doing well/ getting better in other areas.
But to be honest at 6-6, if there was a Group of 5 coach available with a Pinkel type resume (.659 winning percentage in 10 years with a conference championship and a top 25 finish), I'd take it.
Or Neal Brown from Troy. I'd take it
This post was edited on 10/6/18 at 10:53 pm
Posted on 10/6/18 at 10:46 pm to Mizzou4ever
Hindsight says maybe (probably) not but that doesn’t do any good. He was a reasonable hire at the time. Like I said, we probably could have gotten Matt Campbell who was the HC at Toledo interestingly enough, but he’s 13-17 at Iowa St. not sure he would have been any better.
Hiring a guy with HC experience isn’t the safer course though. That’s what I’m trying to convey to you. They are just as boom or bust as going with a coordinator.
To answer your question of where we go from here...
1. We hope that BO works out. We hope that he can iron out that rough edges because we don’t appear to be far off.
2. If not, we either fire him or make him hire an experienced DC that can run the defense because he’s not doing well trying to wear both hats.
3. If we have to fire him, we roll the dice. It’s as simple as that. Hopefully we hit.
Hiring a guy with HC experience isn’t the safer course though. That’s what I’m trying to convey to you. They are just as boom or bust as going with a coordinator.
To answer your question of where we go from here...
1. We hope that BO works out. We hope that he can iron out that rough edges because we don’t appear to be far off.
2. If not, we either fire him or make him hire an experienced DC that can run the defense because he’s not doing well trying to wear both hats.
3. If we have to fire him, we roll the dice. It’s as simple as that. Hopefully we hit.
Posted on 10/6/18 at 10:59 pm to the808bass
I really haven’t had issues with the jobs the coordinators have done this year.
The offense scored 35 on a day that they weren’t great and had 2 starting receivers hurt. More got hurt. A walkon Bannister had a catch on the drive to take the lead in the 4th.
The defense is what I thought they would be. There’s a talent issue there that going to take time to fix. Between Walters, Odom and a former NFL DC they still can’t stop anyone with a passing game.
The offense scored 35 on a day that they weren’t great and had 2 starting receivers hurt. More got hurt. A walkon Bannister had a catch on the drive to take the lead in the 4th.
The defense is what I thought they would be. There’s a talent issue there that going to take time to fix. Between Walters, Odom and a former NFL DC they still can’t stop anyone with a passing game.
Posted on 10/6/18 at 11:03 pm to wubilli
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I really haven’t had issues with the jobs the coordinators have done this year.
I know you’re pretending it’s all about talent on defense, so your assessment proceeds from that. But it’s tough to take that seriously when we gave up 570 yds passing to Purdue.
Posted on 10/6/18 at 11:11 pm to the808bass
I do think it’s more about talent than coaching.
Purdue put up 570 on Mizzou and Beckner was the only guy on the DL that could put pressure on the QB. Really the same thing happened today. Mizzou had to blitz to have any chance of getting pressure.
Purdue put up 570 on Mizzou and Beckner was the only guy on the DL that could put pressure on the QB. Really the same thing happened today. Mizzou had to blitz to have any chance of getting pressure.
Posted on 10/6/18 at 11:38 pm to JesusQuintana
Leaving 12 first half points on the field because of RZ play calling was depressing.
Dooley's 3rd quarter play calling was depressing. He shite down both legs with Pendleton out. Cook didn't play flawlessly but he can combo and get to the second level as well as the guy he replaced. Throwing the ball in that kind of rain gave away the first 4 possessions of the 2nd half. I still have know idea what Lock was looking at when he released that screen.
MU overmatched them running inside zone all day. There was nothing exotic needed. They should have ran for 350 yds and won by 3 scores.
Dooley's 3rd quarter play calling was depressing. He shite down both legs with Pendleton out. Cook didn't play flawlessly but he can combo and get to the second level as well as the guy he replaced. Throwing the ball in that kind of rain gave away the first 4 possessions of the 2nd half. I still have know idea what Lock was looking at when he released that screen.
MU overmatched them running inside zone all day. There was nothing exotic needed. They should have ran for 350 yds and won by 3 scores.
Posted on 10/6/18 at 11:41 pm to wubilli
we don't have the talent on the defensive side of the ball, which seems weird since BO was a DC. But who does that fall on?
Posted on 10/6/18 at 11:47 pm to JesusQuintana
No question Odom succeeding is the very best thing that can happen. There is no question about it. It also would have been the very best thing for the basketball program if KA succeeded. At some point, however, a decision has to be made if BO is succeeding enough or not. Not sure if we're at that point yet but at some point that decision has to be made.
Posted on 10/6/18 at 11:50 pm to MIZ_COU
The talent level on the defense falls on both Pinkel and Odom. Missing of Perkins really hurts as he is better than anyone Mizzou has.
Posted on 10/6/18 at 11:54 pm to truman_in_nc
Frankly, talent wise, I thought we were every bit the team UGA was as well. The things that cost us the UGA game are the same things that cost us the SC game and those things are all coachable. Stupid penalties, aka lack of discipline. Protecting the ball.
Posted on 10/6/18 at 11:57 pm to Mizzou4ever
I think he can coach them up to a certain extent but I'm not sure I'm sold yet on the idea that he can coach them up like GP did. We're certainly not seeing that on the defensive side.
Posted on 10/7/18 at 12:05 am to MIZ_COU
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6-6 is likely
6-6 and a bowl appearance and BO is back next year. Probably should be. I don't know that I'd be ready to fire a coach, go through a coaching search and then hire someone you don't know is any better if the current coach has gone bowling 2 years in a row.
Posted on 10/7/18 at 12:09 am to reedus23
quote:True on offense. Not on defense. No way
Frankly, talent wise, I thought we were every bit the team UGA was as well.
This post was edited on 10/7/18 at 12:11 am
Posted on 10/7/18 at 12:15 am to MIZ_COU
Basically it's all correct.
BO's teams are sloppy, turn the ball over, commit dumb penalties at the worst time, and are generally undisciplined much like the staff. (Reedus and others)
It probably is this way and stays this way cause Oder has a bit of an arrogance problem (Bass)
We could have won the game easily if not for terrible play calling. (Navy)
We don't have the talent on D (a lot of us)
I"m presently not worshiping BO (JQ)
BO's teams are sloppy, turn the ball over, commit dumb penalties at the worst time, and are generally undisciplined much like the staff. (Reedus and others)
It probably is this way and stays this way cause Oder has a bit of an arrogance problem (Bass)
We could have won the game easily if not for terrible play calling. (Navy)
We don't have the talent on D (a lot of us)
I"m presently not worshiping BO (JQ)
Posted on 10/7/18 at 12:26 am to MIZ_COU
I hear ya if your talking the backfield. I thought the guys up front, at least against the run, were fine. We do need to find some pass rushers though.
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