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re: Pretty god damn depressing

Posted on 10/6/18 at 7:39 pm to
Posted by Mizzou4ever
Kansas City, Mo
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 10/6/18 at 7:39 pm to
He can identify and develop talent, the problem is, so far, he can't develop into a good enough coach to come up with a coherent gameplan from week to week, and have his teams play smart, disciplined football. Something Pinkel was capable of doing. I'm not as pessimistic as you are at finding a good coach. We have recovered from the ridiculous mess we were in, and there are good coaches out there that would love to take up the challenge of coaching in the SEC.
Posted by JesusQuintana
St Louis
Member since Oct 2013
33366 posts
Posted on 10/6/18 at 7:43 pm to
I’m not saying we can’t hire a good coach, what Im saying is we aren’t going to hire a proven coach.
Posted by surgicalvenom
Omaha
Member since Jan 2014
5362 posts
Posted on 10/6/18 at 7:43 pm to
This team is talented and has not been outclassed. BO has put things in place for success. Football teams go as far as the QB takes them. I'm afraid Lock just isn't the guy who puts the team on his back. Mizzou has faced 2 QBs on their first start, and both those guys showed more of the "it" factor. Texas,FSU,Miami,Florida and others have struggled without that "it" QB. Firing BO isnt the answer, finding that true QB leader is our answer.
Posted by Drydock
Osage County
Member since Oct 2013
6738 posts
Posted on 10/6/18 at 7:46 pm to
Lock did not call that idiot onside kick, then try to blame it on the kicker. That's the last straw for me.
Posted by Mizzou4ever
Kansas City, Mo
Member since Nov 2011
15229 posts
Posted on 10/6/18 at 7:48 pm to
We found Pinkel, a proven coach in the lower ranks. No reason Mizzou couldn't do it again.
Posted by JesusQuintana
St Louis
Member since Oct 2013
33366 posts
Posted on 10/6/18 at 7:55 pm to
You’re right but finding Pinkel was pretty “lucky” and Pinkel also got time to overcome early struggles.

Had we fired him when most fans were screaming for it we never would have found out what his ceiling was. The calls for Pinkel’s head were every bit as loud as they are for Odom now
Posted by surgicalvenom
Omaha
Member since Jan 2014
5362 posts
Posted on 10/6/18 at 8:02 pm to
Not saying BO is perfect, but we have seen bluebloods chase coaches with no luck until they found "that guy" at QB. Football on all levels is about the QB. Even with Texas' money, they have sucked until this QB. You can fire all the coaches you want, but you won't win until you find that qb with a big arm and balls to match.
Posted by MIZ_COU
I'm right here
Member since Oct 2013
13771 posts
Posted on 10/6/18 at 8:05 pm to
I hate to say this


but you are just a bad fan
Posted by Mizzou4ever
Kansas City, Mo
Member since Nov 2011
15229 posts
Posted on 10/6/18 at 8:12 pm to
You're just shootin' from the hip again. You don't now, or back then, speak for most fans. Odom probably isn't even on the hot seat yet. Pinkel was given time because Mizzou had like only 2 winning seasons in the last 20 years, and he was a proven coach. You need to learn to relax more. It's either you are fully onboard with the coaching staff, or we have little hope for the future.
Posted by JesusQuintana
St Louis
Member since Oct 2013
33366 posts
Posted on 10/6/18 at 8:21 pm to
Well, I mean you can believe it or not but the calls for Pinkel’s head were VERY loud. Moreso in his second year and then fourth year but they were definitely present.

I guess we have a different definition of proven but guys with success at G5 schools are not proven IMO in terms of competing in the higher levels. They are every bit as risky as someone with no HC experience
Posted by truman_in_nc
Member since Oct 2017
44 posts
Posted on 10/6/18 at 8:26 pm to
I don't disagree that the QB is a critical factor. But, Lock doesn't play defense too. He had to put up 40 to win at Purdue... barely. An offense that puts up 35 should win most games, but we won't win many with 35. Development (coaching) is also a big factor. Lock has great arm talent. IMO, coaching is part of developing the "it" factor.

Posted by Mizzou4ever
Kansas City, Mo
Member since Nov 2011
15229 posts
Posted on 10/6/18 at 8:30 pm to
And what you lack in understanding because of your youth is how shitastic we were for the previous 20 years before that. You just shrug it off as being bad fans but you weren't around to endure that shite show, or were too young to really experience it. Naturally people at that time had little patience, that's not the case now no matter how much you say it is. Odom should of never been offered his first HC job here, and we are seeing why. Bring in a proven HC and he will be given the proper time. This isn't that hard to understand, you're just stubborn.
This post was edited on 10/6/18 at 8:32 pm
Posted by JesusQuintana
St Louis
Member since Oct 2013
33366 posts
Posted on 10/6/18 at 8:40 pm to
Who would you have hired at the time? Specifically. We are not going to hire a proven coach, I don’t know why you continually beat that drum.

I also don’t think that Odom’s situation was much better than Pinkel’s all things considered.

Look, if things don’t turn around in the second half of the season then I’m on board with making a change. I think you are going to be underwhelmed with our realistic options though.

I’m curios of two things. Who you would have hired instead of Odom, and who you would hire if we fire Odom this offseason
Posted by surgicalvenom
Omaha
Member since Jan 2014
5362 posts
Posted on 10/6/18 at 8:48 pm to
Like I posted, I'm not saying BO is perfect. But the evidence points to QB play. Harbaugh, Fisher, average without that special QB. Strong at Louisville vs Strong at Texas. FSU without Winston. A&M without Manziel. Mississippi State with Dak and now Fitzgerald. Florida with Grier and now West Virginia with Grier. Mizzou with Corby Jones. Yes teams have to be coached and play defense but they live or die with QB play.
Posted by deputyfife
Member since Dec 2013
1121 posts
Posted on 10/6/18 at 9:13 pm to
I like Sterk.
If he does make a move, I assume it will be because he has good options in place.
If he doesn't make a move, the calculus wasn't there and Odom will have done enough to justify a non-move.
Odom has facets that make me want to keep him, and other sides that have me open to a replacement.
Posted by zatetic
Member since Nov 2015
5677 posts
Posted on 10/6/18 at 9:29 pm to
Damn near everyone thought we'd lose to Georgia and Alabama with many others counting SC at the beginning of the year. So much went wrong in those games. But they were both really winnable games.

Does that mean Odom is ahead of where most people thought he would be or not? IDK. Even with the unfortunate happenings in the Georgia game the team kept playing hard to the very end showing me that was a 50/50 type game. The South Carolina game was a catastrophe that should have been won. We can probably guess the Bama will be a loss.

This seems better than last year. Based off the comparison between common opponents from this year to last year we can project winning the rest of our games other than Bama. That's a good but not great year. Of course we could lose every game too, but really we are doing better than last year, albeit we could be doing significantly better. It just seems a tad early for the doom and gloom.
Posted by countrygrammar
Ohio
Member since Oct 2013
394 posts
Posted on 10/6/18 at 9:37 pm to
Moorhead is about to win a top 10 contest in year one against Auburn with Mississippi St. and we are making excuses for our program in year 3.

Spin it however you want, even with two losses he held up well against top 15 teams where we have seen blowouts of 2TD’s plus in our ranked matchups.

That’s why this gets frustrating.
Posted by muinsandiegp
San Diego
Member since Sep 2016
458 posts
Posted on 10/6/18 at 9:38 pm to
frick off bass. 

Is it a requirement for you to be such a prick all the time or do you just enjoy it?


Lay off Bass JQ. I initially was not a fan, but he has grown on me
Posted by Mizzou4ever
Kansas City, Mo
Member since Nov 2011
15229 posts
Posted on 10/6/18 at 9:39 pm to
I don't follow the collegiate coaching carousel enough to know who may be available then or now. They pay people to figure that crap out and found Pinkel. You can't tell me it couldn't happen again. Like I've already said, Odom probably isn't even on the hot seat yet, so it's a moot point. It still doesn't take away from the fact they should of hired someone with HC experience. He is still learning on the job in year 3, in the SEC, and it's a bit embarrassing.
Posted by MIZ_COU
I'm right here
Member since Oct 2013
13771 posts
Posted on 10/6/18 at 9:39 pm to
Al is a loss

Ky and Fl are very likely losses.

Memphis is a toss up

Tn and Arky and Vandy are winnable but Arky is improving and Vandy isn't a powder puff

6-6 is likely

and I don't see better than 7-5

I hope Sterk is looking around for a proven HC so we can start rebuilding yet again

This post was edited on 10/6/18 at 9:47 pm
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