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Posted on 10/6/18 at 7:39 pm to JesusQuintana
Posted on 10/6/18 at 7:39 pm to JesusQuintana
He can identify and develop talent, the problem is, so far, he can't develop into a good enough coach to come up with a coherent gameplan from week to week, and have his teams play smart, disciplined football. Something Pinkel was capable of doing. I'm not as pessimistic as you are at finding a good coach. We have recovered from the ridiculous mess we were in, and there are good coaches out there that would love to take up the challenge of coaching in the SEC.
Posted on 10/6/18 at 7:43 pm to Mizzou4ever
I’m not saying we can’t hire a good coach, what Im saying is we aren’t going to hire a proven coach.
Posted on 10/6/18 at 7:43 pm to JesusQuintana
This team is talented and has not been outclassed. BO has put things in place for success. Football teams go as far as the QB takes them. I'm afraid Lock just isn't the guy who puts the team on his back. Mizzou has faced 2 QBs on their first start, and both those guys showed more of the "it" factor. Texas,FSU,Miami,Florida and others have struggled without that "it" QB. Firing BO isnt the answer, finding that true QB leader is our answer.
Posted on 10/6/18 at 7:46 pm to surgicalvenom
Lock did not call that idiot onside kick, then try to blame it on the kicker. That's the last straw for me.
Posted on 10/6/18 at 7:48 pm to JesusQuintana
We found Pinkel, a proven coach in the lower ranks. No reason Mizzou couldn't do it again.
Posted on 10/6/18 at 7:55 pm to Mizzou4ever
You’re right but finding Pinkel was pretty “lucky” and Pinkel also got time to overcome early struggles.
Had we fired him when most fans were screaming for it we never would have found out what his ceiling was. The calls for Pinkel’s head were every bit as loud as they are for Odom now
Had we fired him when most fans were screaming for it we never would have found out what his ceiling was. The calls for Pinkel’s head were every bit as loud as they are for Odom now
Posted on 10/6/18 at 8:02 pm to Drydock
Not saying BO is perfect, but we have seen bluebloods chase coaches with no luck until they found "that guy" at QB. Football on all levels is about the QB. Even with Texas' money, they have sucked until this QB. You can fire all the coaches you want, but you won't win until you find that qb with a big arm and balls to match.
Posted on 10/6/18 at 8:05 pm to JesusQuintana
I hate to say this
but you are just a bad fan
but you are just a bad fan
Posted on 10/6/18 at 8:12 pm to JesusQuintana
You're just shootin' from the hip again. You don't now, or back then, speak for most fans. Odom probably isn't even on the hot seat yet. Pinkel was given time because Mizzou had like only 2 winning seasons in the last 20 years, and he was a proven coach. You need to learn to relax more. It's either you are fully onboard with the coaching staff, or we have little hope for the future.
Posted on 10/6/18 at 8:21 pm to Mizzou4ever
Well, I mean you can believe it or not but the calls for Pinkel’s head were VERY loud. Moreso in his second year and then fourth year but they were definitely present.
I guess we have a different definition of proven but guys with success at G5 schools are not proven IMO in terms of competing in the higher levels. They are every bit as risky as someone with no HC experience
I guess we have a different definition of proven but guys with success at G5 schools are not proven IMO in terms of competing in the higher levels. They are every bit as risky as someone with no HC experience
Posted on 10/6/18 at 8:26 pm to surgicalvenom
I don't disagree that the QB is a critical factor. But, Lock doesn't play defense too. He had to put up 40 to win at Purdue... barely. An offense that puts up 35 should win most games, but we won't win many with 35. Development (coaching) is also a big factor. Lock has great arm talent. IMO, coaching is part of developing the "it" factor.
Posted on 10/6/18 at 8:30 pm to JesusQuintana
And what you lack in understanding because of your youth is how shitastic we were for the previous 20 years before that. You just shrug it off as being bad fans but you weren't around to endure that shite show, or were too young to really experience it. Naturally people at that time had little patience, that's not the case now no matter how much you say it is. Odom should of never been offered his first HC job here, and we are seeing why. Bring in a proven HC and he will be given the proper time. This isn't that hard to understand, you're just stubborn.
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Posted on 10/6/18 at 8:40 pm to Mizzou4ever
Who would you have hired at the time? Specifically. We are not going to hire a proven coach, I don’t know why you continually beat that drum.
I also don’t think that Odom’s situation was much better than Pinkel’s all things considered.
Look, if things don’t turn around in the second half of the season then I’m on board with making a change. I think you are going to be underwhelmed with our realistic options though.
I’m curios of two things. Who you would have hired instead of Odom, and who you would hire if we fire Odom this offseason
I also don’t think that Odom’s situation was much better than Pinkel’s all things considered.
Look, if things don’t turn around in the second half of the season then I’m on board with making a change. I think you are going to be underwhelmed with our realistic options though.
I’m curios of two things. Who you would have hired instead of Odom, and who you would hire if we fire Odom this offseason
Posted on 10/6/18 at 8:48 pm to truman_in_nc
Like I posted, I'm not saying BO is perfect. But the evidence points to QB play. Harbaugh, Fisher, average without that special QB. Strong at Louisville vs Strong at Texas. FSU without Winston. A&M without Manziel. Mississippi State with Dak and now Fitzgerald. Florida with Grier and now West Virginia with Grier. Mizzou with Corby Jones. Yes teams have to be coached and play defense but they live or die with QB play.
Posted on 10/6/18 at 9:13 pm to surgicalvenom
I like Sterk.
If he does make a move, I assume it will be because he has good options in place.
If he doesn't make a move, the calculus wasn't there and Odom will have done enough to justify a non-move.
Odom has facets that make me want to keep him, and other sides that have me open to a replacement.
If he does make a move, I assume it will be because he has good options in place.
If he doesn't make a move, the calculus wasn't there and Odom will have done enough to justify a non-move.
Odom has facets that make me want to keep him, and other sides that have me open to a replacement.
Posted on 10/6/18 at 9:29 pm to JesusQuintana
Damn near everyone thought we'd lose to Georgia and Alabama with many others counting SC at the beginning of the year. So much went wrong in those games. But they were both really winnable games.
Does that mean Odom is ahead of where most people thought he would be or not? IDK. Even with the unfortunate happenings in the Georgia game the team kept playing hard to the very end showing me that was a 50/50 type game. The South Carolina game was a catastrophe that should have been won. We can probably guess the Bama will be a loss.
This seems better than last year. Based off the comparison between common opponents from this year to last year we can project winning the rest of our games other than Bama. That's a good but not great year. Of course we could lose every game too, but really we are doing better than last year, albeit we could be doing significantly better. It just seems a tad early for the doom and gloom.
Does that mean Odom is ahead of where most people thought he would be or not? IDK. Even with the unfortunate happenings in the Georgia game the team kept playing hard to the very end showing me that was a 50/50 type game. The South Carolina game was a catastrophe that should have been won. We can probably guess the Bama will be a loss.
This seems better than last year. Based off the comparison between common opponents from this year to last year we can project winning the rest of our games other than Bama. That's a good but not great year. Of course we could lose every game too, but really we are doing better than last year, albeit we could be doing significantly better. It just seems a tad early for the doom and gloom.
Posted on 10/6/18 at 9:37 pm to JesusQuintana
Moorhead is about to win a top 10 contest in year one against Auburn with Mississippi St. and we are making excuses for our program in year 3.
Spin it however you want, even with two losses he held up well against top 15 teams where we have seen blowouts of 2TD’s plus in our ranked matchups.
That’s why this gets frustrating.
Spin it however you want, even with two losses he held up well against top 15 teams where we have seen blowouts of 2TD’s plus in our ranked matchups.
That’s why this gets frustrating.
Posted on 10/6/18 at 9:38 pm to JesusQuintana
frick off bass.
Is it a requirement for you to be such a prick all the time or do you just enjoy it?
Lay off Bass JQ. I initially was not a fan, but he has grown on me
Is it a requirement for you to be such a prick all the time or do you just enjoy it?
Lay off Bass JQ. I initially was not a fan, but he has grown on me
Posted on 10/6/18 at 9:39 pm to JesusQuintana
I don't follow the collegiate coaching carousel enough to know who may be available then or now. They pay people to figure that crap out and found Pinkel. You can't tell me it couldn't happen again. Like I've already said, Odom probably isn't even on the hot seat yet, so it's a moot point. It still doesn't take away from the fact they should of hired someone with HC experience. He is still learning on the job in year 3, in the SEC, and it's a bit embarrassing.
Posted on 10/6/18 at 9:39 pm to zatetic
Al is a loss
Ky and Fl are very likely losses.
Memphis is a toss up
Tn and Arky and Vandy are winnable but Arky is improving and Vandy isn't a powder puff
6-6 is likely
and I don't see better than 7-5
I hope Sterk is looking around for a proven HC so we can start rebuilding yet again
Ky and Fl are very likely losses.
Memphis is a toss up
Tn and Arky and Vandy are winnable but Arky is improving and Vandy isn't a powder puff
6-6 is likely
and I don't see better than 7-5
I hope Sterk is looking around for a proven HC so we can start rebuilding yet again
This post was edited on 10/6/18 at 9:47 pm
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