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re: I expect BO’s extension to be similar to Campbell

Posted on 11/28/17 at 12:56 pm to
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
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Posted on 11/28/17 at 12:56 pm to
It's risk management and it's not like his base is going to $4M a year.
Posted by surgicalvenom
Omaha
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Posted on 11/28/17 at 1:04 pm to
That's what pisses me off...They know we won't stop donating. They know the bottom line is we are alumni who owe our educations to Mizzou, and they know I will write the check every October. But, the amount of money being paid to fired coaches because of extensions is getting out of hand. Especially considering the salaries being paid to begin with. When he fields a bad product, and loses revenues for the AD he still gets paid. How does losing money earn a raise?
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
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Posted on 11/28/17 at 1:09 pm to
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How does losing money earn a raise?

Laying that at BO's feet is bullshite. A shite load of coaches deserves some of that, BO included but not a ton of it. The school's administration deserves a shite load of blame too; had they shutdown that fricked up shite 3 yrs ago, the losses wouldn't be what they are.
Posted by the808bass
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Posted on 11/28/17 at 1:11 pm to
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What’s your issue with an extension then?


I have zero issue with an extension.

It’s ridiculous to pay him $700k more per year (with a corresponding increase in buyout, because that will happen) based upon his performance to date.

Give him a COL increase of $350k and write a bonus into the contract for 8 wins next year he gets $500k. For an increase of 10k in attendance, he gets another $500k.
Posted by Wtodd
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Posted on 11/28/17 at 1:16 pm to
Seems reasonable, which is why it didn't happen
Posted by surgicalvenom
Omaha
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Posted on 11/28/17 at 1:25 pm to
So his losing streak that shrank attendance THIS year is the fault of the protests? You are fricking with me right? The protest was a problem, but it had nothing to do with getting fist fricked by a first year coach with Purdue talent.

Middle America have become very strange. You put a poor person on tv and say it's not their fault, and you scream "bullshite, get off your arse and earn it." But try to hold that same standard to a millionaire coach you idolize and you make excuse after excuse.
Posted by wubilli
Columbia
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Posted on 11/28/17 at 1:26 pm to
I’m a fan of highly incentivized contracts, unfortunately they aren’t common in sports.

Also the way Mizzou has structured buyouts historically isn’t based on the coaches salary. It’s been based on the coaches based pay times the number of years on the contract.

In this structure if BO gets a 2 year extension, but wins 4 games next year. Mizzou would only have to pay him about 500k more than his current buyout is. Which would be less than 2 million.
Posted by SemperFi
St Louis
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 11/28/17 at 1:28 pm to
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So his losing streak that shrank attendance THIS year is the fault of the protests? You are fricking with me right? The protest was a problem, but it had nothing to do with getting fist fricked by a first year coach with Purdue talent.


COme one... That wasn't BO's fault neither. lol

quote:

You put a poor person on tv and say it's not their fault, and you scream "bullshite, get off your arse and earn it." But try to hold that same standard to a millionaire coach you idolize and you make excuse after excuse.


Accurate as hell...... However the spin deflection and BS will continue?

This post was edited on 11/28/17 at 2:26 pm
Posted by JesusQuintana
St Louis
Member since Oct 2013
33366 posts
Posted on 11/28/17 at 2:47 pm to
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Problem is when you fire them, you still owe them the money. I have to "earn" the money I donate. Giving an extension at this point doesn't seem like good stewardship of that money.




I have a hard time reconciling your viewpoint with two wild extremes present.

On one hand, you want success from the HC but then on the other you are dead set against the administration committing towards the support necessary to achieve it.

Unless your commentary is the way coaches are paid in general then you just aren't making any sense. None of these guys "earn" it. They are all signed to multimillion dollar contracts before they even win a game at that school. This is how the game is played. The pay and years are most irrelevant. It's the buyout, and you are creating an issue that simply is not going to exist.

His buyout won't increase to a number that we can't comfortably get out of the deal at any time we wish.

Aside from all of that, if you expect a coach to win then you also need to be serious about it as an institution and a fanbase.

It can't be, "yeah, you are the lowest paid coach in the league, with the smallest asst pool, and fans don't show up for games but damnit you better go win or we'll go find someone else we won't support"

I don't know how you are making all of this make sense in your head.

Thankfully, we have a good AD who knows what commitments are necessary.
This post was edited on 11/28/17 at 2:51 pm
Posted by Bluegrassboy
Kirksville, Mo.
Member since Jun 2017
726 posts
Posted on 11/28/17 at 3:07 pm to
And we’re very fortunate....Jimbo Fisher has guaranteed contract. If FSU fired him today, they would owe him the full amount of his contract, which amounts to about 40 million. BO is 7-5, and FSU is 5-6.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
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Posted on 11/28/17 at 4:22 pm to
When I think Jimbo Fisher, I next think Barry Odom.
Posted by wubilli
Columbia
Member since Apr 2014
5517 posts
Posted on 11/28/17 at 4:26 pm to
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hen I think Jimbo Fisher, I next think Barry Odom.


Same agent. Sexton is a master at getting more money for his clients
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
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Posted on 11/28/17 at 5:27 pm to
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Same agent.


And that’s where the similarity ends.
Posted by Bluegrassboy
Kirksville, Mo.
Member since Jun 2017
726 posts
Posted on 11/28/17 at 5:28 pm to
Jimbo is 10-10 in the ACC the last few years. Not that good for 40 million. I’d say we got a deal.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
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Posted on 11/28/17 at 5:32 pm to
That’s not a serious comment.
Posted by MIZ_COU
I'm right here
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Posted on 11/28/17 at 5:35 pm to
preach on brother
Posted by JesusQuintana
St Louis
Member since Oct 2013
33366 posts
Posted on 11/28/17 at 5:39 pm to
Let me guess, didn't even read it but has saw who made the last comment...

He doesn't want BO to get an extension.

How'd I do?

Edit: nailed it
This post was edited on 11/28/17 at 5:40 pm
Posted by Bluegrassboy
Kirksville, Mo.
Member since Jun 2017
726 posts
Posted on 11/28/17 at 5:50 pm to
Certainly is. Jimbo was a DC, and has been an HC at FSU for 10 years now. He ran them up the flag pole after Winston took his butt to the promised land. Leveraging every opportunity to get one of the highest contracts in the NCAA. He bitches about facility upgrades all the time. Now he’s leveraging Texas A&M against them. For what? A .500 in conference record the last 3 years? He’s in a recruiting hot bed in Florida. 5* recruits all over his roster, and .500 is the best he can do?
At least BO wants to be at Missouri, and will still want that 10 years from now no matter if he does win an SEC crown or make the playoffs. And he won’t require a contract like Jimbo does.
Don’t be surprised if the brass at FSU let’s him out of his silly contract and waves goodbye to him. I don’t think Texas A&M is a step up from FSU either. There are many boosters that very disgruntled with him. Getting 8 mil a year on a guaranteed contract for 5 more years for a .500 team! So, the comparison of BO and Jimbo although 1 has only been a HC for 2 years and the other 10 years has more similarities than you think. BO is 7-5 and ?Fisher is 5-6...both were DC’s before landing HC jobs. One makes 4 times what the other makes, and is looking to jump ship.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
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Posted on 11/28/17 at 5:56 pm to
Lolwut
Posted by navynuke
Member since Jun 2016
4975 posts
Posted on 11/28/17 at 6:13 pm to
Jimbo Fisher has never coached on the defensive side of the ball. He spent the entirety of his assistant career as a QB coach, then QB/OC prior to being named the HC at FSU.
This post was edited on 11/28/17 at 6:14 pm
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