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Posted on 2/12/15 at 3:24 am to AndyTiger
Haith averaged about 24 wins a season at Mizzou and we probably won't even win 10 games this year. That's not a tough decision on who's the better coach. Yes Haith won with MA players who didn't play well for MA.
Kim might be a good coach down the line, but right now this guy stinks. You don't play a half court offense without any outside shooters. They are a team with a bunch of young slashers, so you press the ball and push it up the court and live off the transition game for most of your offense. How often do you see us trying to play a half court offense and milking the clock and then taking a bad shot at the buzzer of the shot clock.
Kim might be a good coach down the line, but right now this guy stinks. You don't play a half court offense without any outside shooters. They are a team with a bunch of young slashers, so you press the ball and push it up the court and live off the transition game for most of your offense. How often do you see us trying to play a half court offense and milking the clock and then taking a bad shot at the buzzer of the shot clock.
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Posted on 2/12/15 at 6:33 am to UOFMO
Haith is an idiot that will end up suspended by the NCAA one day....book it.
Posted on 2/12/15 at 8:23 am to Wtodd
Who is gonna say, "yeah, I would have sucked at Missouri this year"? No one, I have no problem with what he is saying. To everyone that is not a missouri fan, it seems likely.
Haith's teams were always efficient on Offense and beyond awful at defense. In the SEC you don't need defense to win 20 games, just offense. He might be right. Don't like the guy, but he probably has a point.
Haith's teams were always efficient on Offense and beyond awful at defense. In the SEC you don't need defense to win 20 games, just offense. He might be right. Don't like the guy, but he probably has a point.
Posted on 2/12/15 at 8:33 am to 5thTiger
A better question maybe "how many guys that KA booted would Haith have kept?" Probably all of them and no one would have been suspended.
Posted on 2/12/15 at 8:38 am to AndyTiger
Haith is an NCAA infractions time bomb ready to go off. It's good we delt him or he delt us. He'll trip up somewhere and go down and drag what ever school he's at with him. It just about happened to Mizzou. Or maybe it did and we're seeing it now. Dunno. Just glad he's gone.
As far as the comment. He's always been a cocky little bastard. It's his only redeeming quality. But, when you're on the outside looking in, you can say anything if you don't have to prove it. He also didn't mention the first thing he would do is bring in about 3 or 4 transfers to get those wins. Cocky little shite.
As far as the comment. He's always been a cocky little bastard. It's his only redeeming quality. But, when you're on the outside looking in, you can say anything if you don't have to prove it. He also didn't mention the first thing he would do is bring in about 3 or 4 transfers to get those wins. Cocky little shite.
Posted on 2/12/15 at 8:45 am to Wtodd
That's probably the key. Haith would of had Cam, Punter, Jones and maybe a transfer or 2.
Not sure that 20 wins is the goal for anyone associated with the program.
Not sure that 20 wins is the goal for anyone associated with the program.
Posted on 2/12/15 at 8:47 am to Wtodd
Agreed. I really believe we would have ended up in the same place we were during Quin's last season if Haith had stayed. It really looked/looks like the secret of his recruiting success was big promises and ego stroking. No discipline on the court, just do what you want to do, and the best 5 play.
As far as offensive efficiency, I still see nothing to contradict the argument that his coaching ability left after the first season with the assistant coach (Nestor?) that went to Army.
As far as offensive efficiency, I still see nothing to contradict the argument that his coaching ability left after the first season with the assistant coach (Nestor?) that went to Army.
Posted on 2/12/15 at 8:59 am to AndyTiger
Has our basketball program really come to squabbling over who is better - Kim Anderson or Frank Haith?
Posted on 2/12/15 at 9:59 am to BreakawayZou83
It's a free country (so far) and anyone can say what they want. Regardless if he is right or wrong about wins, you just don't say crap like this. Even the biggest scumbag coaches are more diplomatic. BB powers-that-be everywhere are storing his no-class and pompous comment for later reference. Pride comes before the fall. His fall will be epic.
Posted on 2/12/15 at 10:55 am to Zou brownmajic
Actually you run whatever offense you are trying to instill in your program. As far as Haith goes he's playing a completely different type of schedule. Mizzou would be well above 500 in that conference. We on the other hand have had one of the top 6 schedules in the country. I'm sorry, but this post is a joke
Posted on 2/12/15 at 11:27 am to seaniec04
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Mizzou would be well above 500 in that conference.
No. Just no. I'm all for giving KA time to get things turned around, but this team lost to UMKC, nearly lost to teams like Elon and hell, UMSL had us on the ropes for a long time in the exhibition game. I'm all for giving him time but this team doesn't finish over .500 nearly any conference.
Posted on 2/12/15 at 11:52 am to AndyTiger
If you really think Haith could have won 20 games with this team, you are delusional and know nothing about basketball. It's almost laughable. We could have had a coaching staff of Phil Jackson, Coach K and Tom Izzo this year and still wouldn't have surpassed 15 games with the current roster.
Posted on 2/12/15 at 11:54 am to reedus23
Duke only beat Elon by 13 this season...
Posted on 2/12/15 at 11:59 am to casublett1
You seriously aren't putting Mizzou in the same class with Duke are ya?
Posted on 2/12/15 at 12:04 pm to reedus23
The point was this Mizzou team would not have finished at .500 in Tulsa's conference either anyways.
Posted on 2/12/15 at 1:57 pm to reedus23
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Tod Palmer ?@todpalmer 10s10 seconds ago
Anderson on Haith: "I certainly hope" Haith's sister, Lulu, is OK. Says he's done a great job at Tulsa.
Class there, unlike Haith.
Posted on 2/12/15 at 3:47 pm to reedus23
Reedus did you see this team play Okie St, IL, Arky. This team does beat the Sam Houston States of the world. UMKC was the first game of the season and basketball is not football, upsets happen ALL the time in college basketball. Yes this team does finish 500 in actually most of the conferences in the country outside of the Power 5
Posted on 2/12/15 at 4:07 pm to seaniec04
We would be favored right now against roughly half of that conference. Except for Tulsa, SMU, Conn and Memphis. Valpo is 22-4 and 9-2 in conference. We beat them handily. We would be favorites to win a lot of the conferences in America. Stop acting as though this team is one of the worst in basketball. They are a young team that's played a tough schedule and had discipline issues up and down the roster. Let's not make it more than it is. I get it that they are frustrating, but to act as though it's the coaches fault is a bit much at this stage in a complete rebuild. The injury to Clark is going to hurt this team even more so we've got that to look forward to . On a side note Duece Bello has no clue how to play basketball and we are forced to start him right now.
Posted on 2/12/15 at 4:55 pm to seaniec04
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Reedus did you see this team play Okie St, IL, Arky. This team does beat the Sam Houston States of the world. UMKC was the first game of the season and basketball is not football, upsets happen ALL the time in college basketball. Yes this team does finish 500 in actually most of the conferences in the country outside of the Power 5
I did see them play those games. And I agree, they showed glimpses in those 4 games (including LSU). But as fast as it appears, it disappears.
Upsets do happen. But not Mizzou losing to UMKC. Nope. That's a whole different level of upset. The teams we beat are:
Valpo (good win but should be a no brainer ordinarily)
Oral Roberts
Chaminade
SEMO
Elon
Lipscomb
LSU (good win but should be next to a no brainer ordinarily)
We'll never know, but I don't see this team finishing above .500 in:
ACC
Big East
SEC (obviously)
Big 12
Big 10
Pac 12
MVC
AAC
A10 (SLU is better than Mizzou and they're 2-9/10-14)
CUSA
Mountain West
West Coast (maybe)
The rest of those small conferences? Possibly but not given.
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