Started By
Message
1
Posted on 2/9/18 at 9:29 pm to TigerCruise
That's not true. Would it help? Sure. Maybe.
It can be done without it though.
It can be done without it though.
Posted on 2/10/18 at 8:03 am to JesusQuintana
Cite a team that has done it without.
I'll wait.
I'll wait.
Posted on 2/10/18 at 8:44 am to TigerCruise
The Rivals data base goes back to 2002. Every team that has won the SEC championship since then has a team built on multiple classes with 10+ 4* players on them. MU's banner year was 2010 and it had 7 4*s in it and they hit on 4 of them. The 2015 class was #2 and had 6 4*s in it. They hit on 2.
Since 2002 MU has landed 45 4* players. They hit on 22 of them. If you are going to hit on 50% of the "elite" recruits, you have to land more than 5 or 6 per class for them matter in terms of the overall talent level.
What is the plan to start landing 10+ 4* players per class? If you think overpaying for a coach will solve it, you are grossly mistaken.
Since 2002 MU has landed 45 4* players. They hit on 22 of them. If you are going to hit on 50% of the "elite" recruits, you have to land more than 5 or 6 per class for them matter in terms of the overall talent level.
What is the plan to start landing 10+ 4* players per class? If you think overpaying for a coach will solve it, you are grossly mistaken.
Posted on 2/10/18 at 10:37 am to JesusQuintana
quote:
I must have misunderstood what you said then.
How do we get a A List coach? What do you consider to be one? A&M just had to give Jimbo Fisher 75M guaranteed dollars.
For a start I'd settle for someone who can convince more in-state kids to stay home.
Is hoping for a coach who could land 4 or 5 of a Missouri Big Ten too much to ask?
Does that have to be a Fisher or Harbaugh type? It would be nice, but they're obviously not coming. But what about a James Franklin, Les Miles, Tom Herman, etc. type who has had some success and has some actual name recognition starting Day One?
There's a lot I like about Odom. I think he understands how to build a program foundation from the ground up at a school like Missouri. Unfortunately he's not generating the excitement needed to build above it by getting some elite kids to buy in and choose Missouri over a blueblood like Pinkel did with Terry Beckner, DGB and Lock.
All you have to do is look at the impact Cuonzo's had. He wasn't an A-List coach but had the name recognition to lure the Porter's here and has been building on that initial kick start. And that's all I'm musing about here - a coach who could give the program an intial kick start off of name recognition to lure a couple of big classes and see if can start feeding on itself a little.
I don't think it's unrealistic for Missouri to have a coach who can do more than make do with leftovers.
Posted on 2/10/18 at 10:54 am to Mizz-SEC
The good thing about this class is that there’s only a couple kids who can underperform expectations.
This post was edited on 2/10/18 at 10:55 am
Posted on 2/10/18 at 11:04 am to Mizz-SEC
Who is the MPJ of football that can completely change local football recruiting?
Posted on 2/10/18 at 11:18 am to wubilli
I’ll answer that with a question.
What other coaches could Mizzou have hired that the Porters and Tillmon would have signed with?
What other coaches could Mizzou have hired that the Porters and Tillmon would have signed with?
Posted on 2/10/18 at 11:30 am to wubilli
quote:
Who is the MPJ of football that can completely change local football recruiting?
Who knows? In a given year it could be a Drew Lock or Terry Beckner Jr. You get one and they start recruiting others like what just happened with Ronnie Perkins at Oklahoma.
You don't think it's realistic to think that should be possible here?
Posted on 2/10/18 at 11:41 am to Mizz-SEC
They’re working an unfalsifiable argument.
If Odom would’ve signed 4, he would’ve been submitted for HOF. Since he signed 1, it’s the school and the tradition and the fans and millennials and blue bloods. Go back and read the posts before the season started, when we were figuring out if we signed 8 or 4 of them.
If Odom would’ve signed 4, he would’ve been submitted for HOF. Since he signed 1, it’s the school and the tradition and the fans and millennials and blue bloods. Go back and read the posts before the season started, when we were figuring out if we signed 8 or 4 of them.
Posted on 2/10/18 at 11:41 am to the808bass
THe Porters wanted to return to Columbia, so just about any coach not named Kim Anderson would have gotten them.
Without the Porters I don’t believe Tilmon comes to Mizzou.
I don’t see any STL recruits that are the type of leaders to say they are the difference between Mizzou bad and national title contenders. They have to see Mizzou have success, then will jump on board.
Cuonzo’s second recruiting class is also ranked 65.
Without the Porters I don’t believe Tilmon comes to Mizzou.
I don’t see any STL recruits that are the type of leaders to say they are the difference between Mizzou bad and national title contenders. They have to see Mizzou have success, then will jump on board.
Cuonzo’s second recruiting class is also ranked 65.
Posted on 2/10/18 at 11:44 am to wubilli
quote:
so just about any coach not named Kim Anderson would have gotten them.
You’re avoiding the question. I want names. Available coaches that would’ve signed the Porters and Tilmon.
Posted on 2/10/18 at 11:51 am to the808bass
I can only think of 1...Romar
Posted on 2/10/18 at 11:54 am to the808bass
There’s a few coaches I liked more than Cuonzo at that time. Wade, he ended up at LSU. Keatts ended up at NCState. A few other mid major coaches that Mizzou could have hiredwould have gotten the Porters as well.
There’s also no football version in Missouri of the Porters. Getting MPJ was the key to 5 of the 6 new players in the 2017 class. Is there a football version that getting 1 player would be the key to over 80% of the class?
The answer is no. BO does need to either win or find a better pitch to recruit STL. If he doesn’t then 7-8 wins will be the best Mizzou can do instead of the expected baseline for the program.
There’s also no football version in Missouri of the Porters. Getting MPJ was the key to 5 of the 6 new players in the 2017 class. Is there a football version that getting 1 player would be the key to over 80% of the class?
The answer is no. BO does need to either win or find a better pitch to recruit STL. If he doesn’t then 7-8 wins will be the best Mizzou can do instead of the expected baseline for the program.
Posted on 2/10/18 at 1:06 pm to wubilli
quote:
THe Porters wanted to return to Columbia, so just about any coach not named Kim Anderson would have gotten them.
You don't know that. But it doesn't change the fact that Cuonzo did close the deal and then with the Porter's helped land Tilmon. And maybe it takes that kind of break to start the momentum in football.
All I know is Odom is dead in the water with local kids and I don't believe it has to a perpetual cancer condition of Missouri football.
Posted on 2/10/18 at 1:17 pm to Mizz-SEC
quote:
You don't know that.
Yes I do. This has been reported pretty extensively. Pingeton told Sterk a year ago December that the Porters wanted to return.
If Mizzou wins 8-9 games this year in state recruits will start to look at Mizzou again.
Posted on 2/10/18 at 1:43 pm to wubilli
gonna need a decent coach to do that
Posted on 2/10/18 at 1:54 pm to wubilli
quote:
Yes I do. This has been reported pretty extensively. Pingeton told Sterk a year ago December that the Porters wanted to return.
It's a shame then they spent all that money on Cuonzo when a janitor could have closed the deal.
Posted on 2/10/18 at 1:54 pm to wubilli
dp
This post was edited on 2/10/18 at 1:55 pm
Posted on 2/10/18 at 2:01 pm to wubilli
Then it would have been any coach that would have hired Porter Sr. Maybe
Page 6 of 7
Popular
Back to top
Follow SECRant for SEC Football News