re: Don’t sugarcoat it

In all seriousness, there isn't anything inherently advantageous about Mizzou but there's also nothing inherently advantageous about those schools either. So even if all of those schools are on par, I think it's reasonable to expect to finish above half of them half of the time.

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There’s 14 SEC teams. We’re next to last.

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Last if you use average star ratings.

What is the average numerical rating for the starters in 2007 and 2013?
And for the starters in 2006, 2012, and 2015?
What was the average class year level for the starters those four years?

Stats that might actually mean something
and I'm curious to know.

Not very interested in stars

I wasn't even responding to you dumbass, but of course you have to come whipping in because someone made a post that didn't include the words "Odom sucks" on the internet and it's your job to make sure everyone knows he does.

The post I responded was very clearly, and heavily false. I'm not sure how you get twisting from posting a factual set of numbers. Never mind, I do know how you arrive there but goodness...

Then you want to talk about twisting numbers and include the year Pinkel retired in Odom's numbers. SMH

You get yourself so twisted up in recruiting rankings (because it's your best avenue for "gah! Odom sucks") but then refuse to acknowledge that Odom's first two years were better than Pinkel's.

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GD pathetic

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The Grateful Dead was amazing. Your assessment of music is pathetic.

We went over this last year.

The 2007 starters averaged being a RS JR and 5.55 3*s as HS Sr.

The 2013 starters averaged being a Jr and a 5.6 rated 3* as a HS Sr.

The 2017 starters averaged being a Jr and a 5.6 rated 3* as a HS Sr.

Everyone relax

This is the normal Mizzou recruiting class.

Far more misses then gets

Instate talent goes elsewhere

Loaded with 2's and 3's.

13th in the SEC

Like most others have said 6-8 wins.

We can and should recruit better than this. But we have to be realistic about the problems before positive results come through:

1. Our coaching staff is basically a no-name without any real appeal. Who would you play for, Saban or Odom?

2. Under Pinkel, we developed an identity, relationships, and eventually, a solid recruiting pipeline in Texas. Under the current staff, we appear to lack any clear direction.

3. To make the best in-state recruits stay home, we need to appeal to them over the USCs and OUs of the world. We have to reach out to these guys early and often. Especially guys that grow up in the inner city and have likely never even been to Columbia prior to a recruiting trip a few weeks before making a decision. By then, it is probably way too little, way too late.

4. Our fan support is embarrassing, and I guarantee you that leaves a bigger negative imprint on an 18-year old recruit that we want to admit. Half-filled student sections, uninterested fans, farming supply ads. How do we win recruits when they see that shite in Columbia, then go to Georgia the following weekend?

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1. Our coaching staff is basically a no-name without any real appeal. Who would you play for, Saban or Odom?

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It's not just that. Sure, name appeal is something but let Odom recruit to Alabama and he's going to have averages in the top 10 classes at a bare minimum. It's 90% school and 10% coach. Saban didn't exactly set the world on fire at Michigan St.

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2. Under Pinkel, we developed an identity, relationships, and eventually, a solid recruiting pipeline in Texas. Under the current staff, we appear to lack any clear direction.

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This is where I'd disagree. We had 9 recruits from TX in this cycle and 4 top 100 kids. There is nothing wrong with that especially considering that GP inexplicably abandoned the state when we joined the SEC.

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3. To make the best in-state recruits stay home, we need to appeal to them over the USCs and OUs of the world. We have to reach out to these guys early and often. Especially guys that grow up in the inner city and have likely never even been to Columbia prior to a recruiting trip a few weeks before making a decision. By then, it is probably way too little, way too late.

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This is the one I just don't know an answer for. This has long been an issue, especially in STL. I'm just not sure how you convince a kid to come here instead of a blue blood unless they are just die hard Tiger fans. Wish there were more of them, but they just don't seem to be. In fact this class seemed to view spurning Mizzou as some kind of badge of honor. Again, I'm not quite sure sure what you can do but we have to do better than we did this year. We can all agree that wasn't good enough. I'd be surprised if next year is not more of the same.

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4. Our fan support is embarrassing, and I guarantee you that leaves a bigger negative imprint on an 18-year old recruit that we want to admit. Half-filled student sections, uninterested fans, farming supply ads. How do we win recruits when they see that shite in Columbia, then go to Georgia the following weekend?

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You are 100% correct on this. Our fan support is just downright shite. We have fans that refuse to show up for games then on the other hand pound their fists and demand we recruit better. That's not how this works. Our fanbase has always been a major hurdle for this program. The passion and loyalty just is not there. I'd also argue that Twitter has only furthered the gap for the schools with more prominent fan bases. These kids crave attention above all else, and we get stomped on Twitter routinely as well.

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I'm just not sure how you convince a kid to come here instead of a blue

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STL has long been a city of followers. The only way for Mizzou to get recruits from there is to show you can win 7-8 games a year without them.