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re: Don’t sugarcoat it
Posted on 2/8/18 at 11:44 am to JesusQuintana
Posted on 2/8/18 at 11:44 am to JesusQuintana
When it comes to in state football recruiting it seems to have a link to the success of the basketball team.
2008-2009 basketball 31-7
10 of the top 15 in state recruits
2011-2012 basketball 30-5
5 of the top 10 in state recruits
Two 30 win seasons seems to help football recruiting
Football record does help some years like when we went 12-2 in the 07 season we got 8 of the top 12 in state recruits.
If Cuonzo can turn around basketball it could also help with football recruiting.
The last 3 years of KA looks to be a negative in our in state recruiting.
2008-2009 basketball 31-7
10 of the top 15 in state recruits
2011-2012 basketball 30-5
5 of the top 10 in state recruits
Two 30 win seasons seems to help football recruiting
Football record does help some years like when we went 12-2 in the 07 season we got 8 of the top 12 in state recruits.
If Cuonzo can turn around basketball it could also help with football recruiting.
The last 3 years of KA looks to be a negative in our in state recruiting.
This post was edited on 2/8/18 at 12:02 pm
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Posted on 2/8/18 at 11:51 am to MizzouBS
I think that’s a really good point.
Posted on 2/8/18 at 12:48 pm to MizzouBS
The 2009 recruiting class watched the FB team win 30 games when the staff started recruiting them as sophomores.
The 2012 class watched MU win 26 games in the 3 seasons before they signed their LOIs.
The 2018 class watched MU win 16. Adoye, Carson, Babb, Brown, and Goodrich never considered MU at any point. Craddieth didn't have an offer. Trout and Perkins checked out after a 1-5 start, Parker recommitted and Thompson swatted the MU hat off the table with TV cameras on him. It wasn't because of the BBall team.
The 2012 class watched MU win 26 games in the 3 seasons before they signed their LOIs.
The 2018 class watched MU win 16. Adoye, Carson, Babb, Brown, and Goodrich never considered MU at any point. Craddieth didn't have an offer. Trout and Perkins checked out after a 1-5 start, Parker recommitted and Thompson swatted the MU hat off the table with TV cameras on him. It wasn't because of the BBall team.
Posted on 2/8/18 at 12:58 pm to navynuke
It would have been better theatre if Thompson had taken a shite in MU hat.
But yeah you have to win to get the good recruits, and you have to get the good recruits to win. Tn has most of the same advantages as bama and look at how they are doing
But yeah you have to win to get the good recruits, and you have to get the good recruits to win. Tn has most of the same advantages as bama and look at how they are doing
Posted on 2/8/18 at 1:23 pm to navynuke
The 2018 class watched Mizzou basketball team win 28 games in 3 years and football team win 16 games in the last 3 years.
The fan support at home games was terrible.
Do you remember when DGB came to the home sold out basketball game for a winning team. The football team had also won 26 games the 3 years before that class.
It may not be a strong link, but it does have an affect. The more positive coverage the university has helps, especially for in state recruits.
It is talked about in the news, Twitter, at school etc... it helps recruiting in all sports.
Just a theory
The fan support at home games was terrible.
Do you remember when DGB came to the home sold out basketball game for a winning team. The football team had also won 26 games the 3 years before that class.
It may not be a strong link, but it does have an affect. The more positive coverage the university has helps, especially for in state recruits.
It is talked about in the news, Twitter, at school etc... it helps recruiting in all sports.
Just a theory
This post was edited on 2/8/18 at 1:25 pm
Posted on 2/8/18 at 2:18 pm to MizzouBS
If this was really connected, the FB team would have raked in the 80s and 90s because the Hearnes was lit from the second week of November until it was time to head to the Kemper Arena.
This post was edited on 2/8/18 at 2:19 pm
Posted on 2/8/18 at 2:22 pm to the808bass
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It’s normalish. I’ll continue to repeat this - the trend isn’t in our favor. We can not recruit in the 40s and lower every year and expect to compete long-term in the SEC.
Bruh!!!
It was definitely easier when we competed in the Big XII north and an SEC East in turmoil. If programs continue to go on upward trajectories we may be putting ourselves in a position that the only way we can truly compete is if we go the Ole Miss route.
South Carolina will present problems on the defensive side and will have more talent to win in the 4th quarter. Also, surprisingly they have a coaching edge with Champ.
You can say the same about Kentucky who has beaten us 3 straight years with better players.
Florida will be stable and have a coaching advantage with far superior athletes.
Tennessee may not turn into Georgia with Pruitt, but defensively they will be better with more talent.
Georgia is just going to be that team we will need everything to align in order for us to beat after this year.
Vandy will be winnable just cause we should be more talented than them and Derek Mason is an average HC.
Posted on 2/8/18 at 2:41 pm to JesusQuintana
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9 signed elsewhere
Ok, that made me smile, despite the circumstances.
Posted on 2/8/18 at 10:18 pm to JesusQuintana
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Thats a much more reasonable take than we should finish above them every year
Whoa!!! That's not what I said brother. In fact, I said near the opposite. I think my words were most of them most of the time.
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We did.
We didn't. None of them. This year at least. And that was my point. I'd get it if we finished behind 1/3 or 1/4 of those teams but not behind 100% of them.
Posted on 2/9/18 at 7:33 am to JesusQuintana
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4. Our fan support is embarrassing, and I guarantee you that leaves a bigger negative imprint on an 18-year old recruit that we want to admit. Half-filled student sections, uninterested fans, farming supply ads. How do we win recruits when they see that shite in Columbia, then go to Georgia the following weekend?
You are 100% correct on this. Our fan support is just downright shite. We have fans that refuse to show up for games then on the other hand pound their fists and demand we recruit better. That's not how this works. Our fanbase has always been a major hurdle for this program. The passion and loyalty just is not there. I'd also argue that Twitter has only furthered the gap for the schools with more prominent fan bases. These kids crave attention above all else, and we get stomped on Twitter routinely as well.
Blaming the fan base is identifying the symptom, not the cause.
Missouri's not a traditional SEC state where college sports are the only show in town. They have to compete for fans. And with the passion, loyalty (and money) are currently being monopolized by multiple and successful professional teams, they're in a tough spot.
If they're going to change they're spot in the pecking order the University has to give the fans a reason to be excited and come. To me that means a dynamic A-List college head coach who will generate the passion among recruits and fans.
That guy is clearly not Barry Odom, so here we sit.
Posted on 2/9/18 at 10:38 am to Mizz-SEC
I have posted in the past what a poor job the University of Missouri does in marketing the University state wide.
On college day at my high school almost 25 years ago the University of Arkansas, Missouri State(SMSU when I was in school), and many othèr smaller schools had recruiters at my high school and Mizzou had nobody. Mizzou has two full time recruiters in the Chicago metro area and that is probably what they have in southern Missouri.
It’s hard to build a fan base and loyalty to your state university when your not there to build it.
It maybe different in KC and St. Louis metro area’s, but in southern Missouri it’s not just the sports programs fault.
Southeast Missouri has produced really good basketball talent in the Sikeston and Poplar Bluff area’s and they rarely even have interest in Mizzou.
To build loyalty the university needs a better marketing program. This will help build a bigger fan base, coaches recruit and keep our in state talent.
On college day at my high school almost 25 years ago the University of Arkansas, Missouri State(SMSU when I was in school), and many othèr smaller schools had recruiters at my high school and Mizzou had nobody. Mizzou has two full time recruiters in the Chicago metro area and that is probably what they have in southern Missouri.
It’s hard to build a fan base and loyalty to your state university when your not there to build it.
It maybe different in KC and St. Louis metro area’s, but in southern Missouri it’s not just the sports programs fault.
Southeast Missouri has produced really good basketball talent in the Sikeston and Poplar Bluff area’s and they rarely even have interest in Mizzou.
To build loyalty the university needs a better marketing program. This will help build a bigger fan base, coaches recruit and keep our in state talent.
Posted on 2/9/18 at 11:06 am to Mizzou59
If someone tells me “recruiting rankings don’t matter” or “it’s because we are Mizzou” again you better be ready to meet me at the Sonic on Nifong
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Posted on 2/9/18 at 1:20 pm to Mizz-SEC
I disagree. I don't think some gimmick, cliche spewing goofball is going to play well here.
Facts are. We aren't going to recruit top classes with any regularity and probably not at all. We need a meat and potatoes guy. Tough minded and a developer.
Maybe that's Odom. Maybe not.
Facts are. We aren't going to recruit top classes with any regularity and probably not at all. We need a meat and potatoes guy. Tough minded and a developer.
Maybe that's Odom. Maybe not.
Posted on 2/9/18 at 3:34 pm to JesusQuintana
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I disagree. I don't think some gimmick, cliche spewing goofball is going to play well here.
Facts are. We aren't going to recruit top classes with any regularity and probably not at all. We need a meat and potatoes guy. Tough minded and a developer.
Maybe that's Odom. Maybe not.
Are you saying all the A-List coaches are cliche spewing goofballs? Or is it possible one (or several) could be a meat and potatoes guy who also happens to be a dynamic personality who generates excitement among the recruits and fans?
Posted on 2/9/18 at 3:40 pm to Mizz-SEC
I must have misunderstood what you said then.
How do we get a A List coach? What do you consider to be one? A&M just had to give Jimbo Fisher 75M guaranteed dollars.
How do we get a A List coach? What do you consider to be one? A&M just had to give Jimbo Fisher 75M guaranteed dollars.
Posted on 2/9/18 at 3:45 pm to JesusQuintana
Maybe Mizzou needs to overpay to get a good recruiter here
Posted on 2/9/18 at 4:06 pm to TigerCruise
Maybe they do, but again people are vastly overstating the impact the HC has on recruiting. With very few exceptions schools recruit how they recruit...roughly anyway.
But let's assume that the right HC could make a big difference. Who is that guy? How do we get him here? Where does the money come from? It's not just snap your fingers and make it happen, and there is also the pesky fact that we already have a HC. One that improved from yr 1 to yr 2 and looks to have a pretty good team going into yr 3. Do you fire that guy because he's not "recruiting good enough"? Of course not, that only matters if we don't win. If we do it's irrelevant.
But let's assume that the right HC could make a big difference. Who is that guy? How do we get him here? Where does the money come from? It's not just snap your fingers and make it happen, and there is also the pesky fact that we already have a HC. One that improved from yr 1 to yr 2 and looks to have a pretty good team going into yr 3. Do you fire that guy because he's not "recruiting good enough"? Of course not, that only matters if we don't win. If we do it's irrelevant.
Posted on 2/9/18 at 4:44 pm to TigerCruise
What is the end result you are wanting to overpay for? Landing 4 or 5 more 4* players every class it isn't going to have the net effect you are wanting on the starting talent. You are still looking at having 22 Jr starters with an average rating of 5.6-5.7. That is assuming a 100% hit rate on those players as well.
What you all really want but won't actually come out and say is top 15 recruiting classes. 10+ 4 star players annually and no 2* players.
What you all really want but won't actually come out and say is top 15 recruiting classes. 10+ 4 star players annually and no 2* players.
This post was edited on 2/9/18 at 4:46 pm
Posted on 2/9/18 at 6:17 pm to navynuke
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What you all really want but won't actually come out and say is top 15 recruiting classes.
ummmm
duh
Posted on 2/9/18 at 6:50 pm to MIZ_COU
So in lieu of pissing and moaning about something completely unlikely, you piss and moan for something that isn't going to have an appreciable impact on the overall talent level..... and want to overpay for it.
Duh.
Duh.
This post was edited on 2/9/18 at 7:07 pm
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