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Why I don't like the Mullen hire.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 1:53 am
Posted on 11/28/17 at 1:53 am
Dan Mullen is an average coach. At best.
In 9 years at MSU he's had 1 good QB
He has a losing record to every SEC school except UT, VU and UK.
He's not good at making adjustments
Hes not a very personable coach or recruiter
He's 32-46 vs teams at .500 or better
He lost to South Alabama in year 8.
6-32 vs ranked teams. 2-33 vs final AP ranked teams.
1 winning conference record in 9 years. 2 wins vs SEC teams with a winning SEC record.
His stats:
Remind me of this guy:
That's all I will say on him. I think Meyer made him. Now if FSU gets Willie Taggart we're fricked. He can coach and recruit. That being said I hope Mullen kills it.
In 9 years at MSU he's had 1 good QB
He has a losing record to every SEC school except UT, VU and UK.
He's not good at making adjustments
Hes not a very personable coach or recruiter
He's 32-46 vs teams at .500 or better
He lost to South Alabama in year 8.
6-32 vs ranked teams. 2-33 vs final AP ranked teams.
1 winning conference record in 9 years. 2 wins vs SEC teams with a winning SEC record.
His stats:
Remind me of this guy:
That's all I will say on him. I think Meyer made him. Now if FSU gets Willie Taggart we're fricked. He can coach and recruit. That being said I hope Mullen kills it.
This post was edited on 11/28/17 at 2:06 am
Posted on 11/28/17 at 2:14 am to TJGator1215
You whine about Mullen's record, then pump Taggart?
Want to compare records?
You just ended your own argument with that. Jesus.
Also explain why Meyer's offense fell back substantially after he left? Seems odd, huh?
Want to compare records?
You just ended your own argument with that. Jesus.
Also explain why Meyer's offense fell back substantially after he left? Seems odd, huh?
This post was edited on 11/28/17 at 2:19 am
Posted on 11/28/17 at 2:18 am to Gatorbait2008
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You whine about Mullen's record, then pump Taggart?
lol
Posted on 11/28/17 at 2:45 am to Gatorbait2008
Im well aware of Taggarts record. I also know he rebuilt 2 dumpster fires. He just made 4-8 oregon 7-5 while scoring a ton of points. Mullen hasn't changed from year 1 to 9. Taggart went from 2-10 to 10-2 by year 4. Taggart also has a top 5 class at Oregon in year 1. Meyers offense collapsed because he wasn't invested. Mullen has had an #80 or worse ranked passing offense more times than not. He's built his wins off of bad teams. That being said. An elite recruiting staff can help his deficiencies as a HC.
Taggart
2-10
7-5
7-5
2-10
3-9
8-5
10-2
Taggart
2-10
7-5
7-5
2-10
3-9
8-5
10-2
This post was edited on 11/28/17 at 2:52 am
Posted on 11/28/17 at 2:55 am to TJGator1215
You're such an unhappy frick
If there's a negative spin on anything UF football related you'll find it
Saying he's had one good QB at Mississippi State? C'mon. I mean sure only Dak is a big name in the NFL but I'd very much like to have a Fitzgerald or a Tyler Russell right now. And that's 3 of the 4 starting QBs he's had there not counting inherited Tyson Lee who only started his first year. frick, I'd probably take Chris Relf at this point. He's a proven QB guru and downplaying that is pretty silly
Sure there are reasons to be a little skeptical of Mullen but there are also reasons to like him and be optimistic. You don't have to go full asshat and argue that everything about Mullen is bad because you aren't in love with the hire. Just take the good with the bad and actually be a fricking fan
If there's a negative spin on anything UF football related you'll find it
Saying he's had one good QB at Mississippi State? C'mon. I mean sure only Dak is a big name in the NFL but I'd very much like to have a Fitzgerald or a Tyler Russell right now. And that's 3 of the 4 starting QBs he's had there not counting inherited Tyson Lee who only started his first year. frick, I'd probably take Chris Relf at this point. He's a proven QB guru and downplaying that is pretty silly
Sure there are reasons to be a little skeptical of Mullen but there are also reasons to like him and be optimistic. You don't have to go full asshat and argue that everything about Mullen is bad because you aren't in love with the hire. Just take the good with the bad and actually be a fricking fan
Posted on 11/28/17 at 2:59 am to TJGator1215
quote:10-2 in the American is more impressive than 9-3 in the SEC West? Interesting.
Taggart went from 2-10 to 10-2 by year 4.
I mean I like Taggart too and he'd recruit like hell at FSU but he's a much less proven offensive mind than Mullen. It's ok to admit that and still be skeptical of Mullen
Posted on 11/28/17 at 3:03 am to TJGator1215
So Miss State wasn't a dumpster fire?
You should research more before you do this next time. Mullen took over a dumpster fire, in the toughest division on CFB. Substantially different than USF and WKU, because Taggart had a job with the ability to get equal talent. USF is the easiest job to recruit in their conference except MAYBE UCF. Miss State is the third hardest place to recruit in our conference. USF he faced Memphis? ECU? Well at Miss STate he faced Mighty Saban, LSU in their prime, and Auburn. Add in a very good Aggies group and a cheating Ole Miss group.
So you credit Taggart for success, though LESS than Mullen because at bad programs. Yet punish Mullen for it, while at a bad program? Makes zero sense.
You should research more before you do this next time. Mullen took over a dumpster fire, in the toughest division on CFB. Substantially different than USF and WKU, because Taggart had a job with the ability to get equal talent. USF is the easiest job to recruit in their conference except MAYBE UCF. Miss State is the third hardest place to recruit in our conference. USF he faced Memphis? ECU? Well at Miss STate he faced Mighty Saban, LSU in their prime, and Auburn. Add in a very good Aggies group and a cheating Ole Miss group.
So you credit Taggart for success, though LESS than Mullen because at bad programs. Yet punish Mullen for it, while at a bad program? Makes zero sense.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 3:04 am to GatorsGators
Yea..9-3 in the SEC West at the worst program in it is just bad coaching. Taggart went 10-2 at USF vs the mighty....Memphis Tigers and UCF Knights.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 6:20 am to Gatorbait2008
While I wasn't doing cartwheels when we hired Mullen..my biggest problem was it a real coach search? Or did Stricklin want him from the getgo? Its shortlived and I am a Gator first and foremost.
It doesn't matter now...he is our HC and I will support him. No one can predict what will happen in the future and we may fail or succeed, hoping for the latter. He needs time to recruit, put together a staff and get to know the player personnel. Then he will have to get players to buy in and be part of unified locker room.
Not an easy task and as always, the bottom line is about wins and losses. We have a lot of talent coming back with snap experience...on defense we should be better and I certainly hope we are on offense.
TJ, just keep being yourself...wouldn't want you any other way
It doesn't matter now...he is our HC and I will support him. No one can predict what will happen in the future and we may fail or succeed, hoping for the latter. He needs time to recruit, put together a staff and get to know the player personnel. Then he will have to get players to buy in and be part of unified locker room.
Not an easy task and as always, the bottom line is about wins and losses. We have a lot of talent coming back with snap experience...on defense we should be better and I certainly hope we are on offense.
TJ, just keep being yourself...wouldn't want you any other way
Posted on 11/28/17 at 6:26 am to TJGator1215
I never considered Mullen to be a serious candidate after the wife's little rant. Happy wife happy, well you know. So for that he wasnt even on my radar but after seeing him yesterday I am fully confident we got the right guy.
HC experience in the SEC
History at Florida
Knows what it takes to win titles
System is proven to be very tough with UF talent
QB developer
When he came off the plane Chompin, I knew we had the right guy. A guy who is a very good hire, who wants to be here and is ready to get to work. He's a Gator
HC experience in the SEC
History at Florida
Knows what it takes to win titles
System is proven to be very tough with UF talent
QB developer
When he came off the plane Chompin, I knew we had the right guy. A guy who is a very good hire, who wants to be here and is ready to get to work. He's a Gator
Posted on 11/28/17 at 7:25 am to TJGator1215
No one cares, tug job.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 7:34 am to TJGator1215
I think we all have the same concerns.
Recruiting- he doesn’t seem to be a great recruiter. Hopefully he hires a good recruiting staff from day one to help with this issue . We will see how this first class does.
Struggles against top 25 teams
A lot of this could be the talent gap he had . We will have to wait and see what he does here .
Needing a athletic QB
He had one good year with leak but still used Tebow to run the ball. He clearly does better with a big athletic QB. Either he will need to do better with a pro style QB or kill it on the recruiting trail to make sure that he always has guys that fit his system on the team .
Recruiting- he doesn’t seem to be a great recruiter. Hopefully he hires a good recruiting staff from day one to help with this issue . We will see how this first class does.
Struggles against top 25 teams
A lot of this could be the talent gap he had . We will have to wait and see what he does here .
Needing a athletic QB
He had one good year with leak but still used Tebow to run the ball. He clearly does better with a big athletic QB. Either he will need to do better with a pro style QB or kill it on the recruiting trail to make sure that he always has guys that fit his system on the team .
Posted on 11/28/17 at 7:42 am to tjv305
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Recruiting- he doesn’t seem to be a great recruiter
Florida or Starkville MS?? cmon guys, 5 star players arent passing up Bama,LSU or UF ect for MSST. Hell, FSU took the state of MS best player last yr. Hard to sell Starkville to kids with better options.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 8:23 am to dbuchanon
TJ, can we have nice things for a day without you whining?
Posted on 11/28/17 at 8:48 am to TJGator1215
Taggart is having a great recruiting year largely because of who he surrounded himself with at Oregon, Cristobal was a huge get for him. While at USF, Taggart was not well liked by a large number of Florida HS coaches and there have been articles about his difficult relationships. I like Taggart and think he could have done well here, but think Mullen is the better fit for UF.
This post was edited on 11/28/17 at 8:49 am
Posted on 11/28/17 at 10:25 am to reel_gator8
We offered a contract to Kelly...seems like we did a real search.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 10:28 am to tjv305
Well his power veer is best with a running QB.
Means we need a QB like Fields for his system to be the best it can be. It can work without a running QB, but it's substantially better with it. The RB forces the defense to stay honest inside, and let's the speed get outside. Tebow running outside happened sometimes, but not often by design. Until Steve...who RAN DEMPS INSIDE AND TEBOW OUTSIDE. God...that shite was so painful to watch.
Means we need a QB like Fields for his system to be the best it can be. It can work without a running QB, but it's substantially better with it. The RB forces the defense to stay honest inside, and let's the speed get outside. Tebow running outside happened sometimes, but not often by design. Until Steve...who RAN DEMPS INSIDE AND TEBOW OUTSIDE. God...that shite was so painful to watch.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 10:29 am to Gatorbait2008
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Well his power veer is best with a running QB.
Uh... Wut?
Posted on 11/28/17 at 10:34 am to dbuchanon
Even when he was at UF he didn’t seem to recruit as good as The others. I am just saying it seems to be a concern. He is big upgrade over Mac in every aspect of the game .
Posted on 11/28/17 at 10:48 am to Gatorbait2008
Just passing on from an old interview
HARRY: Really? You often hear coaches say that nothing is new; that everything has been used before. Yet when the Wildcat showed up in Miami last year, it was like the NFL freaked out. But it was old-time single-wing football, which is lot of what you do here. What was the genesis of your offense?
MEYER: Part of it is single wing, yeah. I would say there's a spread element and a single-wing element. We've combined them both. We want to have a run component. At any time, anybody can stop the run. It's just taking one more defender than you can block and putting him right there [on the line]. Unless that guy is not very good and you have a great running back, like a lot of the Big Ten teams when I was growing up. Everybody would say, 'BYOB: Bring Your Own Blocker.' He's on scholarship too, and you have to run him over sometime. That's OK. But to simply say we're going to do that all the time and score points, I can't disagree with that more. So how do you take advantage of the guy that's the extra defender? There's two ways to do it. One: you run a single-wing offense, which means you spread a guy out so that [extra defender] has to go cover him. Two: you spread out and throw the ball. We're going to do both."
HARRY: What about the single wing has given it the staying power?
MEYER: "The fact you can run the ball when everybody is blocked. You'll hear a saying around here: 'Never run the ball against an unblocked defender.' Never do it! And I'm kind of giving you everything we do here." (The next few minutes involved some scribbling and lots of X's and O's, the bulk of which, without the diagrams, doesn't translate very well in print. I can promise you, though, it was as interesting as it was informative.) [Ed. Note: Darn! I guess this is why my site exists.]
HARRY: Really? You often hear coaches say that nothing is new; that everything has been used before. Yet when the Wildcat showed up in Miami last year, it was like the NFL freaked out. But it was old-time single-wing football, which is lot of what you do here. What was the genesis of your offense?
MEYER: Part of it is single wing, yeah. I would say there's a spread element and a single-wing element. We've combined them both. We want to have a run component. At any time, anybody can stop the run. It's just taking one more defender than you can block and putting him right there [on the line]. Unless that guy is not very good and you have a great running back, like a lot of the Big Ten teams when I was growing up. Everybody would say, 'BYOB: Bring Your Own Blocker.' He's on scholarship too, and you have to run him over sometime. That's OK. But to simply say we're going to do that all the time and score points, I can't disagree with that more. So how do you take advantage of the guy that's the extra defender? There's two ways to do it. One: you run a single-wing offense, which means you spread a guy out so that [extra defender] has to go cover him. Two: you spread out and throw the ball. We're going to do both."
HARRY: What about the single wing has given it the staying power?
MEYER: "The fact you can run the ball when everybody is blocked. You'll hear a saying around here: 'Never run the ball against an unblocked defender.' Never do it! And I'm kind of giving you everything we do here." (The next few minutes involved some scribbling and lots of X's and O's, the bulk of which, without the diagrams, doesn't translate very well in print. I can promise you, though, it was as interesting as it was informative.) [Ed. Note: Darn! I guess this is why my site exists.]
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