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Tanner says fanbase reaction to retaining Muschamp "very positive"
Posted on 12/18/19 at 7:52 am
Posted on 12/18/19 at 7:52 am
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To hear Ray Tanner tell it, he’s been hearing from South Carolina football fans since it became clear he would retain football coach Will Muschamp for the 2020 season.
And most of the reaction he’s heard was positive, USC’s athletics director said.
“Very positive,” Tanner said. “I think it’s only fair that you would say, yeah, there’s a few negative people out there. But I think that it’s been recognized from the time that he’s been here what he puts into this program. I had a lot of people reach out to me before there was any conversation that, ‘I don’t know what you’re thinking, but don’t make any moves. He’s a great man and he’s going to be very successful here.’
“I would say the overwhelming (majority) was positive.”
Trigger Warning: The State
Posted on 12/18/19 at 8:58 am to CNB
Tanner has obviously never been on this board.
Posted on 12/18/19 at 11:03 am to CNB
Between Muschamp saying “we’re not that far off” and Tanner saying this, those two are obviously working together on their own PR/spin campaign.
Posted on 12/20/19 at 7:35 am to CNB
Forget his two titles. I despise Tanner at this point. He has destroyed our athletic department.
Posted on 12/20/19 at 8:30 am to SCLibertarian
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He has destroyed our athletic department.
Not this again.
Posted on 12/20/19 at 11:10 am to theGarnetWay
You live in DC not SC. If you want to think the ship's ok because of women's basketball and soccer, go ahead. Football is and always will be king. It's what draws fans, it's what sells merchandise and it's what funds all the other sports. And as someone who has lived in SC for my entire life, we are losing fans left and right. The USC vs. Clemson ratio in this part of the state has always been 75-25 Gamecock. We're closer to Raleigh than the Upstate. In the last 5 years, it's gotten to where I see more Clemson stuff. And I'm not talking about fairweather folks who switch sides, I'm talking about lifelong Gamecocks so disillusioned with our sucking and Clemson's success they've stopped even caring. This is where we are right now and anybody who gives a damn about USC ought be worried as well.
Posted on 12/20/19 at 11:15 am to SCLibertarian
NM
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Posted on 12/20/19 at 11:28 am to SCLibertarian
Calm down chicken little.
- No shite it's a problem that our football team has been poor for years and yes it sucks that it was paralleled by Clemson's meteoric rise but despite all that SC is still the more valued school, still outsells Clemson, and still has a higher revenue - in no small part due to the SEC TV deals.
- So yes, football is the cash cow and despite these terrible years it's still bringing in the cash. Our football team has historically been at this level if not slightly better. However, what is new is how well the rest of our teams are doing. Of course I want us to be much, much better at football and yes I think Tanner has to go. But the idea that our entire AD is in shambles is just factually inaccurate. From the massive facility upgrades (including football) to the on the field success for the overwhelming majority of most of our teams there's a lot of good going on with the overall AD.
- Was the decision to give Muschamp a huge buyout a terrible idea by Tanner? Of course it was. Would firing Muschamp have been even worse? Of course it would have been. You could've probably kissed the Lloyds and the Burchs goodbye and Bobo definitely wouldn't have come and then where would we be? Who would we have hired? The only chance we had of even trying to be competitive in the next few years was to make sure that at the very minimum those 3 were on board and that wouldn't have happened if Muschamp had been canned for some nobody coach that we would have hired.
- The benefit of being in DC and not SC is because I can view it from the outside looking in. The benefit of the 10,000 foot view is not freaking out over seeing more some orange shirts on the street during football season (and yes, I notice them to when I do come down). The benefit is realizing that overall our AD is pretty damn stout. The benefit is realizing there is some shite that simply isn't exactly in our control - Dabo's success. The benefit is realizing that you and I both know that Tanner, Muschamp, and every Cock fan out there wants to win and get our football program back on track. Obviously, not all of their decisions and ideas have worked out but it's not for a lack of caring and trying. And we're going to keep caring and we're going to keep trying until we finally find something that clicks.
- Until that time, there's no need to get all 'end of the world, the sky is falling' the whole AD is in shambles. You make it sound like there was some huge corruption scandal that is about to bring down the school or something.
- No shite it's a problem that our football team has been poor for years and yes it sucks that it was paralleled by Clemson's meteoric rise but despite all that SC is still the more valued school, still outsells Clemson, and still has a higher revenue - in no small part due to the SEC TV deals.
- So yes, football is the cash cow and despite these terrible years it's still bringing in the cash. Our football team has historically been at this level if not slightly better. However, what is new is how well the rest of our teams are doing. Of course I want us to be much, much better at football and yes I think Tanner has to go. But the idea that our entire AD is in shambles is just factually inaccurate. From the massive facility upgrades (including football) to the on the field success for the overwhelming majority of most of our teams there's a lot of good going on with the overall AD.
- Was the decision to give Muschamp a huge buyout a terrible idea by Tanner? Of course it was. Would firing Muschamp have been even worse? Of course it would have been. You could've probably kissed the Lloyds and the Burchs goodbye and Bobo definitely wouldn't have come and then where would we be? Who would we have hired? The only chance we had of even trying to be competitive in the next few years was to make sure that at the very minimum those 3 were on board and that wouldn't have happened if Muschamp had been canned for some nobody coach that we would have hired.
- The benefit of being in DC and not SC is because I can view it from the outside looking in. The benefit of the 10,000 foot view is not freaking out over seeing more some orange shirts on the street during football season (and yes, I notice them to when I do come down). The benefit is realizing that overall our AD is pretty damn stout. The benefit is realizing there is some shite that simply isn't exactly in our control - Dabo's success. The benefit is realizing that you and I both know that Tanner, Muschamp, and every Cock fan out there wants to win and get our football program back on track. Obviously, not all of their decisions and ideas have worked out but it's not for a lack of caring and trying. And we're going to keep caring and we're going to keep trying until we finally find something that clicks.
- Until that time, there's no need to get all 'end of the world, the sky is falling' the whole AD is in shambles. You make it sound like there was some huge corruption scandal that is about to bring down the school or something.
Posted on 12/20/19 at 11:28 am to SCLibertarian
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ootball is and always will be king. It's what draws fans, it's what sells merchandise and it's what funds all the other sports. And as someone who has lived in SC for my entire life, we are losing fans left and right. The USC vs. Clemson ratio in this part of the state has always been 75-25 Gamecock. We're closer to Raleigh than the Upstate. In the last 5 years, it's gotten to where I see more Clemson stuff. And I'm not talking about fairweather folks who switch sides, I'm talking about lifelong Gamecocks so disillusioned with our sucking and Clemson's success they've stopped even caring. This is where we are right now and anybody who gives a damn about USC ought be worried as well.
I have to agree.
Football isn't successful.
And regardless of who the AD is,the football team will always make money since we get a huge check just from the SECN/ESPN/TV/Bowl games
I would like to know if there are dips in donations and tickets.
Posted on 12/20/19 at 12:40 pm to SCLibertarian
If you're a manager do you want your department looked at because of 1 issue or the health of the overall department?
Posted on 12/20/19 at 1:02 pm to SOSFAN
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If you're a manager do you want your department looked at because of 1 issue or the health of the overall department?
If you're a manager and your money maker is doing poorly, you need to make changes to the money maker.
If it continues to do poorly after not making changes it's all on you.
Posted on 12/20/19 at 5:58 pm to I Bleed Garnet
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you're a manager and your money maker is doing poorly, you need to make changes to the money maker.
Except our money maker is still making the whole department a shite ton of money... and the department as a whole has invested a lot of money into that department so that it can succeed long term.
Posted on 12/20/19 at 6:00 pm to theGarnetWay
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Except our money maker is still making the whole department a shite ton of money
Footballs always gonna make us money
Unless they somehow kick us out of the league
As I’ve asked does anyone know if donations or ticket sales have actually decreased?
The most money we get is the payout from the SEC yearly
Posted on 12/20/19 at 7:36 pm to I Bleed Garnet
I don’t know about donations. Not sure that’s something that’s accessible unless someone here knows.
Obviously tickets still matter but we all know ticket sales overall are no longer the best barometer for the entire sport of football.
Obviously tickets still matter but we all know ticket sales overall are no longer the best barometer for the entire sport of football.
Posted on 12/21/19 at 7:37 am to CNB
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“I would say the overwhelming (majority) was positive.”
What confused him was that fans were saying they were positive they wanted Muschamp gone.
In all honesty its not like Muschamp has done a bad job, trust me, we just canned Chad Morris... I know a lousy head coach when I see one. Its that he seems to have hit his ceiling of success at USC and it is 7-8 wins at best. With a 5 win season thrown in every now and then.
That isn't completely horrible but its not something that is going to rally the fan base. It is hard to get fired up for the Birmingham Bowl or the Taxslayer Bowl year after year.
Posted on 12/21/19 at 7:44 am to Arksulli
The biggest issue I have is it's literally the same thing as when he was at Florida.
Injury issues, bad offense, decent to above average defense
The only hope Muschamp has is Bobo. If he stays the frick out of his way, he has a sliver of hope. And my blind optimism is telling me that Bobo will tell Muschamp back the frick off
But I know it'll be more of the same. We might upset someone but then we will lose a bunch more games we have absolutely no business in losing.
Injury issues, bad offense, decent to above average defense
The only hope Muschamp has is Bobo. If he stays the frick out of his way, he has a sliver of hope. And my blind optimism is telling me that Bobo will tell Muschamp back the frick off
But I know it'll be more of the same. We might upset someone but then we will lose a bunch more games we have absolutely no business in losing.
Posted on 12/21/19 at 9:01 am to CNB
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The biggest issue I have is it's literally the same thing as when he was at Florida.
Injury issues, bad offense, decent to above average defense
I don't think people get how this is exactly like his time at UF. I thought he learned how to do more with less in 2017 as opposed to letting the players cover his arse while he pretends he's gotten things back to normal (2012), but it was just the result of an easy schedule.
Posted on 12/21/19 at 2:22 pm to theGarnetWay
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Except our money maker is still making the whole department a shite ton of money... and the department as a whole has invested a lot of money into that department so that it can succeed long term.
Can't disagree with you there. Unfortunately we're too loyal to send a clear and present message.
If you think this is long term success were headed for. You're related to the same guy who was piloting the Titanic.
Posted on 12/21/19 at 4:41 pm to HalfCocked
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you think this is long term success were headed for. You're related to the same guy who was piloting the Titanic.
The investment in the facilities itself is a huge investment into the future.
You guys are acting like Muschamp has some 10 year contract and we’re doomed for forever. Like I said before, yes.. the large buyout was stupid. But eating that money and losing our recruiting class would have been even stupider.
If Muschamp continues on this track yes fire him and Tanner and try to bring someone else who can get the job done. That’s what we’re trying to do now but everyone is acting like we’ve just thrown our hands up and surrendered. Which if the facilities tell you anything that’s simply not the case.
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