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re: 17-18 M&W Basketball | M: (17-16) W: (29-7)
Posted on 1/4/18 at 10:32 pm to RoyalAir
Posted on 1/4/18 at 10:32 pm to RoyalAir
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Not having any inside info whatsoever, I agree with you.
He's built this program, and taken it to heights none of us expected, but he also is having a dreadful season that will chase away fans.
He may say that the support or commitment isn't here, and leave for a basketball school.
He hasn't really built the program though. Yes, he developed players that became leaders on back-to-back 25+ win teams. The Final Four was a total surprise to everyone: the team earned every single win in the NCAAT, but no one expected that to happen a day before the tournament began.
IMO CFM is a good coach that can coach competitive, winning basketball at the highest levels. He doesn't have the connections or credibility as a HC yet to pull elite talent to wherever he goes.
It's also my opinion that CFM is the kind of HC that USC needs right now: a coach that teaches old-school hard-nosed defensive fundamentals and hard effort all the time. A coach like that can bring in lower-rated athletes and teach them to play solid team basketball and help the team win.
Right now that's what any coaching staff needs at USC, until they can establish some success like what we've had the past two seasons - not so much reaching the FF, but winning 20+ gms a season, being competitive in the conference, and making the postseason often, with an NCAAT appearance. But not for just 1-2 seasons - it will take 3-4 seasons like that at least, to start turning heads of better players to USC, and make them think that they can win consistently at USC.
The MBB program has been so dormant for so long, that the state's prep systems don't even look at USC as an option for the better talent in-state, unless they have personal reasons to, like being legacies. UNC and other programs have had SC prep talent on lock-down for so long, Roy Williams is on first-name basis with most of the HS and AAU coaches in the state, and vice versa.
Martin screwed up IMO with the player dismissals two years ago: Cobb, Doby, Gregory, Stroman, etc. Those players would be juniors and seniors this season, and would provide some upperclassman leadership this season. That's what Carrera, Chat, Kacinas, Thornwell, Notice all provided the last two seasons, but we got nothing like that this season.
So it's going to be another rebuild this season, like it was 3-4 seasons ago. Once CFM establishes some roster stability that can withstand 2-3 star players graduating each year, then we'll see more consistent success....
This post was edited on 1/4/18 at 10:35 pm
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Posted on 1/5/18 at 9:38 am to ConwayGamecock
Those dismissals were not up to Martin ... those were mandated by the AD's office after all info regarding the incident came to light including how they reacted to the arresting officers and what items were found in their possession at the time of the arrest.
Now, two of them were given the option of staying but having to sit out a year just as Rakeem had to do here recently ... and they got all butthurt at the notion and went-away angry claiming Martin was being mean to them.
But I agree, there have been several things to happen (usually do, and for a reason) that has changed the dynamic of this season.
IMHO we're missing Rakeem a lot more this season than we are P.J.
Now, two of them were given the option of staying but having to sit out a year just as Rakeem had to do here recently ... and they got all butthurt at the notion and went-away angry claiming Martin was being mean to them.
But I agree, there have been several things to happen (usually do, and for a reason) that has changed the dynamic of this season.
IMHO we're missing Rakeem a lot more this season than we are P.J.
Posted on 1/5/18 at 10:16 pm to scrooster
You're right...probably unfair for me to put that on CFM, but the point remains. CFM's system requires player to accept his teachings which require a bit of faith on the player's part, and some time to season. He coaches a strong team-defense philosophy, and a team-offense philosophy that involves ball movement and all players getting touches per possession before taking shots.
Until he can start bringing in elite players (if he ever can) that can do what he wants them to do defensively and still put the team on their backs and score with their eyes closed, it requires time in the program.
After having to let go of a lot of Horn's players early on, CFM developed the program steadily but surely over the next 4-5 seasons until they were winning 25+ gms a year and making postseason play. But those dismissals two years ago, for whatever reason or blame, is kinda like that first season, and it puts the program back to the starting point.
Unless we had some leaders from the returners from last season's FF team, that can teach/show the new-comers that USC does it better now. But looks like CFM will have to develop that too....
Until he can start bringing in elite players (if he ever can) that can do what he wants them to do defensively and still put the team on their backs and score with their eyes closed, it requires time in the program.
After having to let go of a lot of Horn's players early on, CFM developed the program steadily but surely over the next 4-5 seasons until they were winning 25+ gms a year and making postseason play. But those dismissals two years ago, for whatever reason or blame, is kinda like that first season, and it puts the program back to the starting point.
Unless we had some leaders from the returners from last season's FF team, that can teach/show the new-comers that USC does it better now. But looks like CFM will have to develop that too....
Posted on 1/5/18 at 10:28 pm to ConwayGamecock
We gotta stick to the program ...
... and find a Dennis Hopper!
Then we'll start winning big ... when everyone believes.
Remember, the rim is the same 10' high for everyone Gamecocks!
... and find a Dennis Hopper!
Then we'll start winning big ... when everyone believes.
Remember, the rim is the same 10' high for everyone Gamecocks!
Posted on 1/6/18 at 9:13 pm to ConwayGamecock
Maybe we saw a little something tonight. It felt different in the CLA. Better crowd ... got into it. Players seem to be fighting a little harder. Not sure about Silva's final stats but he seemed to have had a helluva game from where we were sitting. I like #15 I just can't make his name stick in my head, wait, Meyers ... he has to work on his free throws.
Haase has potential.
If we can fight our way out of this shooting rut and keep working on our D .... oh yeah, and Minaya turned the ball over way too many times in the first half. We were fully expecting Gravett to play tonight. Wonder when he is going to return?
Haase has potential.
If we can fight our way out of this shooting rut and keep working on our D .... oh yeah, and Minaya turned the ball over way too many times in the first half. We were fully expecting Gravett to play tonight. Wonder when he is going to return?
Posted on 1/6/18 at 9:32 pm to scrooster
Crowd was definitely better. Lower bowl was solid, upper deck near center court was solid.
Silva finished with 27 and 9. It’s amazing what he can do when he stays on the floor. Very solid win.
Silva finished with 27 and 9. It’s amazing what he can do when he stays on the floor. Very solid win.
Posted on 1/7/18 at 1:41 am to scrooster
Yes the team played harder, and for most of the game. I didn't post this above, but against Ole Miss while we played mostly lackluster for 75% of the game, once we fell behind by 20 pts or so I saw the team start giving more effort and fighting harder for rebounds, and to drive to the basket, instead of just settling for 3s and long jumpshots. We took the game to the Rebels more and made a decent run at the end of the game, and made the loss seem more respectable.....
Tonight it was more of the same, except for most of the game. It's going to take that kind of effort for most of the games for us to win whatever we will win, and that's what made the lack of leadership a bit glaring, because no one seems to have been stepping up, or not enough.
Having said all this, Vanderbilt may be the worst team in the SEC this season, if it isn't us.
I did like Hinson's and Cudd's effort in the game. Myers and Silva had career games for us, and our defense kept Vandy off balance with turnovers and poor shooting.
Sani Gravett warmed up and looked pretty good, IMO. Couldn't tell he was dealing with anything. We go on the road to Bama Tuesday night, and they are hurting for a win to get off the schneid. Hopefully Gravett returns to the lineup for them, and helps the team...
Edit: got Ole Miss and Mizzou mixed up. This happened against Mizzou, not Ole Miss....
Tonight it was more of the same, except for most of the game. It's going to take that kind of effort for most of the games for us to win whatever we will win, and that's what made the lack of leadership a bit glaring, because no one seems to have been stepping up, or not enough.
Having said all this, Vanderbilt may be the worst team in the SEC this season, if it isn't us.
I did like Hinson's and Cudd's effort in the game. Myers and Silva had career games for us, and our defense kept Vandy off balance with turnovers and poor shooting.
Sani Gravett warmed up and looked pretty good, IMO. Couldn't tell he was dealing with anything. We go on the road to Bama Tuesday night, and they are hurting for a win to get off the schneid. Hopefully Gravett returns to the lineup for them, and helps the team...
Edit: got Ole Miss and Mizzou mixed up. This happened against Mizzou, not Ole Miss....
This post was edited on 1/10/18 at 12:40 pm
Posted on 1/7/18 at 3:51 pm to ConwayGamecock
I heard this morning that Gravett is back for Bama but will not start.
Totally agree with your entire post though.
Then there are the women ... didn't we play at Mizzou last year as well?
Man they have good games against us.
Thought the reffing sucked donkey balls. Dawn had a right to be pissed. Almost as bad as at A&M.
Totally agree with your entire post though.
Then there are the women ... didn't we play at Mizzou last year as well?
Man they have good games against us.
Thought the reffing sucked donkey balls. Dawn had a right to be pissed. Almost as bad as at A&M.
Posted on 1/10/18 at 7:36 am to ConwayGamecock
I dont see this team making the tourney.
Posted on 1/10/18 at 8:13 am to I Bleed Garnet
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I dont see this team making the tourney.
Step back from the ledge I Bleed Garnet, or should I call you I Bleed Orange with what you just said.
This team is fine.
We will be a better team at the end of the year. Better than we are now and better than Clemson.
We have too much upside. Frank was happy in the preseason for a reason.
Again, the team that is playing now is vastly different from the team that you will see at the end of the year. With the improvement from Silva and Kotsar, and some new players being the real deal, (Minaya, Haase, even Booker), the potential is there.
Frank just has to coach em up. And he has shown that he can do that.
We just need improvement in the backcourt and it will happen. We have three transfers that can all play - remember that Holden has to work his way back to form still - and Gravett will get better with experience at the PG position.
Not mediocre at all, this is a good team with the potential to be very good by season's end and in the tourney
Posted on 1/10/18 at 10:40 am to AceDilcock
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Not mediocre at all, this is a good team with the potential to be very good by season's end and in the tourney
I think that we will be better by season's end, but there is absolutely nothing that I have seen in the first 16 games that makes me think we are a tourney team. The main thing for us is keeping Silva on the floor.
We will finish around 6-12 in conference if I had to guess.
Posted on 1/10/18 at 10:43 am to UpstateCock2007
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I think that we will be better by season's end, but there is absolutely nothing that I have seen in the first 16 games that makes me think we are a tourney team.
AHHH Upstate cock, maybe living in the upstate has brainwashed you a bit to think like a tater.
This team will be there, coming into the season Frank was confident this was his best shooting team he's had. Ill take his word. And I'll take his word that we are very talented and will make a run.
Posted on 1/10/18 at 11:38 am to AceDilcock
If I had to guess, you're from CockyTalk
Posted on 1/10/18 at 11:53 am to UpstateCock2007
quote:agree - the backcourt issues are not gonna be fixed with the current roster/injuries. Frank's gonna have to recruit/replace to compliment Felder next season.
there is absolutely nothing that I have seen in the first 16 games that makes me think we are a tourney team.
quote:6 wins is a bold guess with the remaining schedule. it's simply insane that the one year we get a historically bad Texas Tech in the challenge, they actually are top 10 team and beat Kansas in Lawrence already this season.
We will finish around 6-12 in conference if I had to guess.
@ Georgia
vs (21) Kentucky
vs (24) Tennessee
@ Florida
vs (8) Texas Tech
vs Miss St
@ Texas A&M
@ Arkansas
vs Florida
@ (24) Tennessee
vs (22) Auburn
vs Georgia
@ Miss St
vs LSU
@ (22) Auburn
MSU at home and maybe LSU at home are the only 2 games I see Carolina winning. Gamecocks are not as good at the 1,2 & 3 positions than any of the teams remaining on USC's schedule, unfortunately.
it's hard to watch the backcourt struggle - because they do try and want to please the coaches.
the one thing this team can do is defend and rebound better, regardless of offense. opponents through 4 SEC games are shooting .453 overall and .407 from 3-pt.
opponents have made *37* 3-pt shots in 4 SEC games...that's a problem. USC has 22 FGM from 3-pt range.
This post was edited on 1/10/18 at 11:55 am
Posted on 1/10/18 at 12:30 pm to AceDilcock
Posted on 1/10/18 at 12:39 pm to CNB
Or a tater performing a surprisingly well executed reverse troll of some sort.
This team is garbage and will be garbage and will be lucky to make the SEC tourney much less the actual tourney
This team is garbage and will be garbage and will be lucky to make the SEC tourney much less the actual tourney
Posted on 1/10/18 at 1:16 pm to GameCocky88
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will be lucky to make the SEC tourney
doesn't everybody make the SEC tourney?
Posted on 1/10/18 at 1:17 pm to I Bleed Garnet
I think that two teams get left out. Not 100% sure though.
Posted on 1/10/18 at 1:18 pm to UpstateCock2007
yea its not, everyone makes it.
We'll be the 13 or 14 seed.
UNLESS they changed it for this year.
We'll be the 13 or 14 seed.
UNLESS they changed it for this year.
This post was edited on 1/10/18 at 1:19 pm
Posted on 1/10/18 at 1:26 pm to CNB
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If I had to guess, you're from CockyTalk
what does it matter?
I'm confident and I don't like talking bad about my school.
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