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re: Some Of Yall Need To Let The Baker Stuff Go

Posted on 1/4/19 at 7:29 pm to
Posted by dawgfan24348
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 1/4/19 at 7:29 pm to
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So, not playing one game that will do nothing to increase your NFL payday, but will increase (if only slightly) your chance of never getting an NFL paycheck because of injury makes sense; however, playing two games that will do nothing to increase your NFL payday, but will increase (if only slightly) your chance of never getting an NFL paycheck because of injury is COMPLETELY different

If you're in projected first rounder and possibly top 10 chances are one game can't improve your stock that much.

But an injury especially a major one can drop you out of the 1st round and cost a guy millions.

Don't be so dense
Posted by dawgfan24348
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 1/4/19 at 7:31 pm to
The playoffs actually have meaning because you're still in contention for a national title and in a bowl game it's just bragging rights. How are you not seeing the obvious difference or are you just pissy because Baker decided to do something you didn't like
Posted by AlaCowboy
North Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
6942 posts
Posted on 1/4/19 at 8:57 pm to
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Attendance overall has been decreasing. In a lot of cases, people can't justify the cost of showing up for games, that shite gets expensive even if you have the money to burn. The powers that be are banking big time on TV money being there forever and that's not always a sure fire bet.


I graduated in 1968. I know many alumni from the '60s through the '90s. Quite a few of us can easily afford season tickets and the Hartman Fund, and the occasional travel to an away game. But many have also been directing their excess donations to the University General Fund or to certain specific programs.
If the school wants to rely on TV money, more of those donations will go elsewhere and fans will have tailgate parties at the lake and watch the game on TV. Several of us dropped our WLOCP tickets years ago and now have a golf week somewhere and watch the game on TV.
Posted by AlaCowboy
North Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 1/4/19 at 9:02 pm to
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The playoffs actually have meaning because you're still in contention for a national title and in a bowl game it's just bragging rights.


So will Baker brag about losing the NC game last year, or beating Oklahoma in the Rose Bowl?
Posted by FaCubeItches
Soviet Monica, People's Republic CA
Member since Sep 2012
5875 posts
Posted on 1/5/19 at 5:16 am to
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Don't be so dense


Physician, heal thyself.

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If you're in projected first rounder and possibly top 10 chances are one game can't improve your stock that much.

But an injury especially a major one can drop you out of the 1st round and cost a guy millions.


Right, so if playing *one* game exposes a player to a risk of injury that could cost him millions and therefore justifies skipping it, in what possible universe does it make more sense to play *two* games that expose the same guy to a risk of injury that could cost him millions of dollars?

From a "protecting your livelihood" point of view, playing any game after you're happy with your likely draft position is absolute folly.
Posted by FaCubeItches
Soviet Monica, People's Republic CA
Member since Sep 2012
5875 posts
Posted on 1/5/19 at 5:23 am to
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The playoffs actually have meaning because you're still in contention for a national title and in a bowl game it's just bragging rights.


Winning or losing national title = Zero additional dollars in future NFL earnings.
Winning or losing a bowl game = Zero additional dollars in future NFL earnings.
Getting a major injury playing in game 1 of playoffs = significant loss to, or elimination of future NFL earnings.
Getting a major injury playing in game 2 of playoffs = significant loss to, or elimination of future NFL earnings.
Getting a major injury playing in a bowl game = significant loss to, or elimination of future NFL earnings.
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How are you not seeing the obvious difference


How can you not grasp that the purely economic argument that a player is "protecting their livelihood" by not playing in one game doesn't apply with even more force to not playing in two games?

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or are you just pissy because Baker decided to do something you didn't like


I don't really care what he did. First stating that he would play, then reversing himself made him look bad, though.


Posted by dawgfan24348
Member since Oct 2011
49238 posts
Posted on 1/5/19 at 1:25 pm to
Are you seriously this dense?

Baker and other like him would be playing in the playoffs because there's a trophy to play for. There's nothing to play for in the sugar bowl.

There is a risk in both but why take a risk when there is no title to play for?

That is the way people like Baker look at it and it's usually only players who can't really improve their draft stock anymore
This post was edited on 1/5/19 at 1:26 pm
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
63922 posts
Posted on 1/5/19 at 8:01 pm to
Ridley, Nauta, and Hardman had the most to lose by getting hurt in the Sugar Bowl because they aren't elite prospects. An injury to any of them would have significantly dropped their draft stock.

But they all played in the sugar bowl. Because they aren't pussies.
Posted by Dick Leverage
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Member since Nov 2013
9000 posts
Posted on 1/5/19 at 10:42 pm to
Why is 2 potential playoff games more meaningful to a player who has used his college career to set himself up to make millions as a top 1-10 draft pick?

If his main focus all along was to set himself up for the huge payday, why does it matter? A national championship opportunity would still pale in comparison to the huge payday. The NC won’t earn him anymore guaranteed money on that first contract so why play the games?

You are going to see where this goes over the next few years and will see that eventually a playoff game is going to mean as little to some top guys than any other post season game.
Posted by dawgfan24348
Member since Oct 2011
49238 posts
Posted on 1/5/19 at 11:23 pm to
They all had something to gain too. Baker was a first rounder who had nothing left to gain. But please cry more
Posted by SquatchDawg
Cohutta Wilderness
Member since Sep 2012
14164 posts
Posted on 1/6/19 at 1:02 am to
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But they all played in the sugar bowl. Because they aren't pussies.


Truth

Plus they felt some obligation to their teammates to not leave them hanging.
Posted by Dick Leverage
In The HizHouse
Member since Nov 2013
9000 posts
Posted on 1/6/19 at 1:31 pm to
You are implying that the playoffs are the standard for when a top ten draft pick guy should play post season. The reward that entices them to play is a trophy.

Stop and listen to yourself for a second. A trophy to go in the schools case and a ring. You are saying that a trophy that they will never possess and a $500 ring is going to be the things that make them change their mind about potentially risking millions by playing in one and possibly two extra games.

Pandora’s box is open. The NFL teams are not going to criticize this because it is in their best interest that these high draft players do not get injured in post season games. You want to know who these games are “meaningless” to? The first 10 teams on the draft board. The people who are in these players ears also consider playoff games “meaningless” They don’t give a flip about playoff games. They care about money. You are to young to understand these things right now but over time you will see how damaging this is to the purity (what’s left of it) of college football.
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
63922 posts
Posted on 1/6/19 at 1:34 pm to
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They all had something to gain too. Baker was a first rounder who had nothing left to gain.


Wrong.

You think Ridley, Nauta, and Mecole, with three whole seasons of film, a large body of work, could have a 100 yd game and that actually make a difference on whether they got drafted higher?

You think GM's overlook 3 years of tape, and see a guy have a ludicrous game in the bowl, and start swapping around their draft board?

Don't kid yourself.
Posted by FaCubeItches
Soviet Monica, People's Republic CA
Member since Sep 2012
5875 posts
Posted on 1/6/19 at 9:08 pm to
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Baker and other like him would be playing in the playoffs because there's a trophy to play for. There's nothing to play for in the sugar bowl.


"Nothing" except for, you know, a trophy.



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There is a risk in both but why take a risk when there is no title to play for?


The reason most often given is "protecting future livelihood" Playing two games puts the same livelihood at greater risk. Winning the title adds nothing to that future livelihood. It's a very simple economic concept.
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