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Posted on 11/15/21 at 9:23 am
Posted on 11/15/21 at 9:23 am
I would love to hear others opinions on evaluations of coaching.
Lets evaluate improvement on all positions from last year.
QB - Bo has improved. His mechanics and performance has improved.
RB - Regressed. When most of the fan base think Tank is injured when he isn't tells you all you need to know. Fumbles all over the place.
OL - Same. What they have gained in Pass pro they have lost in run blocking.
WR - slightly improved however less talented. Better route tree, better route running. Terrible hands.
TE - N/A - There is no way we can grade TEs compared to last year.
DL - Same. Opponents Offensive lines can block us regardless of what they are trying to do. Run or pass. Last year was kind of the same however I think linebacker play last year was much better.
LB - Regressed. Out of position. Owen hasn't performed up to his regular standard even before injury. Zakoby about the same. Including Wooten and others has been a disappointment to what many on the board said was in the top of the conference linebacker group.
DB - Total embarrassment. Roger McCreary has been about the only capable looking defensive back we have. He's played well. Others look lost and confused in basic alignment and assignment.
Special Teams - Regressed. outside of a couple blocked kicks early in the season special teams have been a train wreck.
Lets evaluate improvement on all positions from last year.
QB - Bo has improved. His mechanics and performance has improved.
RB - Regressed. When most of the fan base think Tank is injured when he isn't tells you all you need to know. Fumbles all over the place.
OL - Same. What they have gained in Pass pro they have lost in run blocking.
WR - slightly improved however less talented. Better route tree, better route running. Terrible hands.
TE - N/A - There is no way we can grade TEs compared to last year.
DL - Same. Opponents Offensive lines can block us regardless of what they are trying to do. Run or pass. Last year was kind of the same however I think linebacker play last year was much better.
LB - Regressed. Out of position. Owen hasn't performed up to his regular standard even before injury. Zakoby about the same. Including Wooten and others has been a disappointment to what many on the board said was in the top of the conference linebacker group.
DB - Total embarrassment. Roger McCreary has been about the only capable looking defensive back we have. He's played well. Others look lost and confused in basic alignment and assignment.
Special Teams - Regressed. outside of a couple blocked kicks early in the season special teams have been a train wreck.
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Posted on 11/15/21 at 9:25 am to CorchJay
I'd rather wait until the season is over to grade everyone.
Posted on 11/15/21 at 9:26 am to AUCE05
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the season is over
Posted on 11/15/21 at 9:29 am to CorchJay
Nah. Still plenty to observe. I want to see how the coaching staff adapts. I want to see if Bobo can adapt to TJ/DD's skill set. How will the guys respond? If Harsin makes excuses and doesn't make clear adjustments, then I will be concerned.
Posted on 11/15/21 at 9:33 am to AUCE05
You heard his presser this weekend it's just execution. We aren't executing correctly.
Posted on 11/15/21 at 9:53 am to CorchJay
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execution
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“What do you think of your team’s execution coach?” To which McKay replied, “I’m in favor of it.”
Posted on 11/15/21 at 10:01 am to CorchJay
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DB - Total embarrassment
Can't totally blame the secondary. Many times the QB has not found anyone open right away, but Mason gives the opposing QBs all day. So eventually someone will get open. Bryce Young will thank Mason in his Heisman speech for allowing him time to find his 5th option each play.
Posted on 11/15/21 at 10:18 am to CorchJay
AGREE QB - Bo has improved. His mechanics and performance has improved. His mechanics have improved, but there were moments of meltdown for at least 3 of our losses this year.
DISAGREE RB - Improved, but underutilized as of late. I felt like the reason things started to break down was that we stopped making good opportunities for the RBs for theses last couple of losses.
DISAGREE: OL - Improved vastly as the season has gone on. There have been massive holes made for RBs and pass protection wasn't there and it has definitely been as the season has gone on. The times when Bo was moving out I felt like HE did so earlier than he needed to and some of the film backs this up. It's not the best in the league of course, but to say this hasn't been an improvement over last year is just wrong.
AGREE: WR - slightly improved however less talented. Better route tree, better route running. Terrible hands.
AGREEish TE - TE Super improvement--50+ catches to what under 5? including several TDs or pivotal plays
AGREE: DL - Same. Opponents Offensive lines can block us regardless of what they are trying to do. Run or pass. Last year was kind of the same however I think linebacker play last year was much better.
DISAGREE: LB - Improved: We are actually tackling at the point of catch, and open field tackling is far improved.
AGREE+: DB - Total embarrassment. Roger McCreary has been about the only capable looking defensive back we have. He's played well. Others look lost and confused in basic alignment and assignment. Also not ever getting into position to get INTs or breaking up passes
AGREE+: Special Teams - Regressed. outside of a couple blocked kicks early in the season special teams have been a train wreck. Terrible Onside kick, not great at field goals and now injured there, not great at protection from blocks, only a few good block attempts, kicking out of bounds on kickoffs, and dropping kickoffs. One high point would be getting to the ball when the other team kicks.
DISAGREE RB - Improved, but underutilized as of late. I felt like the reason things started to break down was that we stopped making good opportunities for the RBs for theses last couple of losses.
DISAGREE: OL - Improved vastly as the season has gone on. There have been massive holes made for RBs and pass protection wasn't there and it has definitely been as the season has gone on. The times when Bo was moving out I felt like HE did so earlier than he needed to and some of the film backs this up. It's not the best in the league of course, but to say this hasn't been an improvement over last year is just wrong.
AGREE: WR - slightly improved however less talented. Better route tree, better route running. Terrible hands.
AGREEish TE - TE Super improvement--50+ catches to what under 5? including several TDs or pivotal plays
AGREE: DL - Same. Opponents Offensive lines can block us regardless of what they are trying to do. Run or pass. Last year was kind of the same however I think linebacker play last year was much better.
DISAGREE: LB - Improved: We are actually tackling at the point of catch, and open field tackling is far improved.
AGREE+: DB - Total embarrassment. Roger McCreary has been about the only capable looking defensive back we have. He's played well. Others look lost and confused in basic alignment and assignment. Also not ever getting into position to get INTs or breaking up passes
AGREE+: Special Teams - Regressed. outside of a couple blocked kicks early in the season special teams have been a train wreck. Terrible Onside kick, not great at field goals and now injured there, not great at protection from blocks, only a few good block attempts, kicking out of bounds on kickoffs, and dropping kickoffs. One high point would be getting to the ball when the other team kicks.
Posted on 11/15/21 at 10:30 am to TemperdTiger
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but there were moments of meltdown for at least 3 of our losses this year
Meltdowns? What meltdowns?
We lost to PSU by a fumble on a trick play by a WR? I would also so this loss is more on the "new system" then any of the others.
We lost to UGA. Just like everyone else has and if our WRs don't drop 10+ balls we play them closer then anyone.
We lost to aTm and the offense couldn't do anything. How is that a meltdown by Bo? He fumbled. Sorry. But that's not a meltdown.
We lost to MSU. He played a game with a broken ankle and passed for over 400 yards and 4 TDs.
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DISAGREE: LB - Improved: We are actually tackling at the point of catch, and open field tackling is far improved
This simply isn't true in anyway.
This post was edited on 11/15/21 at 10:32 am
Posted on 11/15/21 at 10:38 am to CorchJay
I don't know if the RB have regressed. We have had defenses stack the box on us and made us beat them with the pass and some days we did but others we didn't.
Agree that our WRs are not as talented and have stone hands but man the TEs they have shown their worth each game they have been targeted.
We have holes in our lines etc.
Depends on recruiting and seeing if we make those holes filled.
Agree that our WRs are not as talented and have stone hands but man the TEs they have shown their worth each game they have been targeted.
We have holes in our lines etc.
Depends on recruiting and seeing if we make those holes filled.
Posted on 11/15/21 at 10:52 am to CorchJay
He was 20-41 at aTm so maybe the whole game meltdown.
21-37 PSU but had some strong moments--shoulda ran more that game
21-38 UGA this one was just uncompetitive all around
27-41 MSU where the first half he was like 12-13 then broke down/was injured and stayed in
I do believe part of this was bad setups for him and his receivers, but I think he let things get to him and carry over to his passes--he's a bit head strong in that regard yelling at people on the sideline. I realize he was injured in the third, but then that's when you stop being an ego and give your backup a chance and you a chance to heal.
21-37 PSU but had some strong moments--shoulda ran more that game
21-38 UGA this one was just uncompetitive all around
27-41 MSU where the first half he was like 12-13 then broke down/was injured and stayed in
I do believe part of this was bad setups for him and his receivers, but I think he let things get to him and carry over to his passes--he's a bit head strong in that regard yelling at people on the sideline. I realize he was injured in the third, but then that's when you stop being an ego and give your backup a chance and you a chance to heal.
Posted on 11/15/21 at 11:02 am to CorchJay
That's a pretty good assessment at this point.
I would say that the OL just isn't talented enough to make a difference. Sure, they've improved on pass pro but they were only going to be so good. Plus with Bo being a super athlete, it has mitigated the many times when they do miss blocks in pass pro. The real assessment is with the run blocking and with the exception of some good scheming every now and then, mano-e-mano, we just don't have the horses. We're on par with Mizzou and USCe in terms of OL talent.
WR lacks speed at any position with the exception of JJ. I'm not sure why we're not trying to stretch the field more with him. It'd help the run game I think if we can the the RB's to the 2nd level. And we're absolutely gonna have to try and stretch the field with some deep balls against the cocks because TJ is a statue back there. They'll stack 8 in the box and dare us to throw it otherwise.
I think our LB's and DB's are fine, we just have zero ability to get pressure from the DL. We are way undersized there. Is what it is. You can only cover so long in the secondary even with a top notch group. Our DL is the worst it's been since Barfield days.
I would say that the OL just isn't talented enough to make a difference. Sure, they've improved on pass pro but they were only going to be so good. Plus with Bo being a super athlete, it has mitigated the many times when they do miss blocks in pass pro. The real assessment is with the run blocking and with the exception of some good scheming every now and then, mano-e-mano, we just don't have the horses. We're on par with Mizzou and USCe in terms of OL talent.
WR lacks speed at any position with the exception of JJ. I'm not sure why we're not trying to stretch the field more with him. It'd help the run game I think if we can the the RB's to the 2nd level. And we're absolutely gonna have to try and stretch the field with some deep balls against the cocks because TJ is a statue back there. They'll stack 8 in the box and dare us to throw it otherwise.
I think our LB's and DB's are fine, we just have zero ability to get pressure from the DL. We are way undersized there. Is what it is. You can only cover so long in the secondary even with a top notch group. Our DL is the worst it's been since Barfield days.
Posted on 11/15/21 at 12:02 pm to TailbackU
Our OL simply is not as bad as most people are saying here, it's like your looking for a scapegoat and automatically assume the OL is messing up--while it not being the case most the time and not actually looking at film to show you otherwise. This comes down more to receivers not battling to be open, or not having that receiver that can, and QB leaving to soon because he feels pressure that isn't there.
Posted on 11/15/21 at 12:03 pm to CorchJay
QB- Progress. Bo still struggles when he's pressured, but when he has time he's turned into a really good QB. Still improving though, which is a good sign.
RB- About the same as last year. OL has been bad at run blocking which makes things way harder on the RBs. There's no many holes to run through. I wish we would pass to Tank more too.
OL- They are who we thought they we're. For the last 3 years they have been average on their best days, but more often than not below average. Trox and Zeirer have had a decent year.. KJ too. Shame we will never see Hamm at guard.
WR- Not sure.. Drop problems, but Kobe has also stepped up lately. JJ has flashed at times too. Still surprised Shed gets so much PT while Capers and Canion barely touch the ball.
TE- Maybe the most consistent and yet still under used positions on the whole team. Big year from Schenker. Fromm and Deal have had moments. Seems like King has disappeared again though.
DL- Wooden and Harris can play. Fair is good at his job. Leota has flashed at times. We don't rotate enough though, mostly because our players don't fit the scheme. On top of that Lee Hunter has barely seen a snap.. again because he doesn't fit the scheme.
LB- Victims of the scheme. Zakoby is a flat out dog. Owen is just as good, but has been hurt. Wooten is the 2nd leading tackler on the team. Haven't seen much of the back ups at all this year.
DB- Victims of the scheme. McCreary is one of the top CBs in the country, but I'm not sure Mason knows that yet. Pritchett has been good outside of the GA game. Simpson is an outside guy and has been played inside too much imo. Smoke takes a lot of heat, and he makes mistakes, but he's still in the top half of safetys in the SEC. Knighten has been bad. Kaufman has been bad too, but he's a freshman so there's still time. We have a transfer from WVU who was all conference who doesn't play and it took until this point of the season for them to figure out Tennison should be on the field.. I question the talent evals going on here.
Kicking- Anders has usually been automatic on short FGs and 50/50 on the long ones, but something changed with him this year. OL blocking on FGs has been the worst its been in a long time. I would like to see a new special teams coach.
Punting- Chapman has quietly had a really nice season. Nothing to complain about here.
RB- About the same as last year. OL has been bad at run blocking which makes things way harder on the RBs. There's no many holes to run through. I wish we would pass to Tank more too.
OL- They are who we thought they we're. For the last 3 years they have been average on their best days, but more often than not below average. Trox and Zeirer have had a decent year.. KJ too. Shame we will never see Hamm at guard.
WR- Not sure.. Drop problems, but Kobe has also stepped up lately. JJ has flashed at times too. Still surprised Shed gets so much PT while Capers and Canion barely touch the ball.
TE- Maybe the most consistent and yet still under used positions on the whole team. Big year from Schenker. Fromm and Deal have had moments. Seems like King has disappeared again though.
DL- Wooden and Harris can play. Fair is good at his job. Leota has flashed at times. We don't rotate enough though, mostly because our players don't fit the scheme. On top of that Lee Hunter has barely seen a snap.. again because he doesn't fit the scheme.
LB- Victims of the scheme. Zakoby is a flat out dog. Owen is just as good, but has been hurt. Wooten is the 2nd leading tackler on the team. Haven't seen much of the back ups at all this year.
DB- Victims of the scheme. McCreary is one of the top CBs in the country, but I'm not sure Mason knows that yet. Pritchett has been good outside of the GA game. Simpson is an outside guy and has been played inside too much imo. Smoke takes a lot of heat, and he makes mistakes, but he's still in the top half of safetys in the SEC. Knighten has been bad. Kaufman has been bad too, but he's a freshman so there's still time. We have a transfer from WVU who was all conference who doesn't play and it took until this point of the season for them to figure out Tennison should be on the field.. I question the talent evals going on here.
Kicking- Anders has usually been automatic on short FGs and 50/50 on the long ones, but something changed with him this year. OL blocking on FGs has been the worst its been in a long time. I would like to see a new special teams coach.
Punting- Chapman has quietly had a really nice season. Nothing to complain about here.
Posted on 11/15/21 at 2:57 pm to jt33
quote:Surprisinging much much better. Like our punter ecept when he passes the ball. :)
QB- Progress. Bo still struggles when he's pressured, but when he has time he's turned into a really good QB. Still improving though, which is a good sign.Bo has gotten better, and I hope even better next year.
RB- About the same as last year. OL has been bad at run blocking which makes things way harder on the RBs. There's no many holes to run through. I wish we would pass to Tank more too.What has happened to the burst Hunter provided at the beginning of the year. Answer: going up against better Ds. I agree, wish Tank would get more screen passes.
OL- They are who we thought they we're. For the last 3 years they have been average on their best days, but more often than not below average. Trox and Zeirer have had a decent year.. KJ too. Shame we will never see Hamm at guard. TV announcer was impressed with Zeirer's play Saturday holding his own. We need some road-graders on this line from the portal.
WR- Not sure.. Drop problems, but Kobe has also stepped up lately. JJ has flashed at times too. Still surprised Shed gets so much PT while Capers and Canion barely touch the ball. Kobe looks like the best hands, but at times seems to lose focus and awareness of being tough during the catch. But the group has gotten better. I guess we will see w/ the new commits if some of these guys transfer out.
TE- Maybe the most consistent and yet still under used positions on the whole team. Big year from Schenker. Fromm and Deal have had moments. Seems like King has disappeared again though.Never would of thought someone would say our TEs are underused after the last 8 years. lol. Need to find them more in the offense and with deeper routes maybe.
DL- Wooden and Harris can play. Fair is good at his job. Leota has flashed at times. We don't rotate enough though, mostly because our players don't fit the scheme. On top of that Lee Hunter has barely seen a snap.. again because he doesn't fit the scheme.What happened to Walker? I thought he would be a big contributor, but maybe he isn't fitting into DM's scheme. We have no push from the current DLs which has shown to be a problem. Maybe Harsin should have found a better DC to fit our current players?
LB- Victims of the scheme. Zakoby is a flat out dog. Owen is just as good, but has been hurt. Wooten is the 2nd leading tackler on the team. Haven't seen much of the back ups at all this year. Solid. what can I say. We still can get pushed around a little withuot Wooten in there.
DB- Victims of the scheme. McCreary is one of the top CBs in the country, but I'm not sure Mason knows that yet. Pritchett has been good outside of the GA game. Simpson is an outside guy and has been played inside too much imo. Smoke takes a lot of heat, and he makes mistakes, but he's still in the top half of safetys in the SEC. Knighten has been bad. Kaufman has been bad too, but he's a freshman so there's still time. We have a transfer from WVU who was all conference who doesn't play and it took until this point of the season for them to figure out Tennison should be on the field.. I question the talent evals going on here.Disappoointed the transfers haven't contributed more, considering they were brought in by DM. Others are better in the scheme but without a decent pass rush, it looks like it was in the MSU game.
Kicking- Anders has usually been automatic on short FGs and 50/50 on the long ones, but something changed with him this year. OL blocking on FGs has been the worst its been in a long time. I would like to see a new special teams coach.Agree. inconisistent, either in the coaching and/or the players used. Not consistent now.
Punting- Chapman has quietly had a really nice season. Nothing to complain about here.
Posted on 11/15/21 at 5:46 pm to CorchJay
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OL - Same. What they have gained in Pass pro they have lost in run blocking.
I'd agree with most of your evaluations, but there is really nothing statistically to support this claim. We were 66th in the country in rushing yardage per game last year, with 4.6 yards a carry. This year so far we are 55th with 5.15 a carry.
And as far as the eye test goes I've seen far more big holes by the o-line this year. They are still very subpar, particularly as run blockers, but they've definitely not been worse.
Posted on 11/15/21 at 6:02 pm to auyushu
We played 3 pansy schools this year and a 10 game conference schedule last year. You can’t look statically and try to compare the 2 seasons if so you need to take out all of our out of conference games in your stats
Posted on 11/15/21 at 6:25 pm to CorchJay
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You can’t look statically and try to compare the 2 seasons if so you need to take out all of our out of conference games in your stats
That's the reason I didn't say we were better at rushing this year, just about the same. But really only two of the pansy schools we've played this year actually helped us, as we actually rushed for worse against Georgia St than we have for the year.
I'm not a huge fan of Bobo, but the stats are the stats. If you have a spot to pull up the SEC only game rushing stats feel free to post them, I'll be happy to be proven wrong if our numbers were better last year per game against SEC competition.
Posted on 11/15/21 at 7:32 pm to auyushu
Done.
341 1758 5.2 2021 season
Akron 32 for 316
Al St 39 for 364
Ga st 35 for 166
Total 106 for 846
106 rushes for 846 subtracted from the season
235 for 912
7 games 912 yards = 130.29 yards per game
Or 3.88 yards per carry
2020 we averaged 166.5 yards per game and 4.6 yards per carry
341 1758 5.2 2021 season
Akron 32 for 316
Al St 39 for 364
Ga st 35 for 166
Total 106 for 846
106 rushes for 846 subtracted from the season
235 for 912
7 games 912 yards = 130.29 yards per game
Or 3.88 yards per carry
2020 we averaged 166.5 yards per game and 4.6 yards per carry
Posted on 11/15/21 at 7:40 pm to CorchJay
Lol downvote stats.
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