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Posted on 9/13/21 at 9:57 pm to Chalkywhite84
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Mike norvell will have fsu looking good.
When, and based off of what? Mike Norvell inherited a Memphis team that went 10-3 and 9-3 in the preceding two seasons to him taking over (under Justin Fuente). He posted two "great" seasons and two okay seasons during his tenure there. Overall good, but again, he didn't inherit slop. He also went 0-3 in Bowl games at Memphis.
His coaching tree is literally just Todd Graham. He followed him from Tulsa, to Pittsburgh, and then to Arizona State. He hasn't worked or learned under anyone else. Todd Graham is a fairly decent NCAA HC by most standards, but I'd hardly consider working under him to be noteworthy or anything.
At Florida State he got a mulligan last season even though they were horrendous, but this year they brought in like 10+ transfers - pretty much all from P5 programs and big-name guys - and they're 0-2 and coming off a loss to a Jacksonville State team that got slapped 31-0 by UAB the week prior. There is literally no excuse, and in fact, they 100% lost on a direct botched call by him.
So we're banking on him being for real based off of a 10-3 and 12-1 season at Memphis? That's it? His record at FSU is horrendous so far. The whole "rebuilding" thing goes out the window with the Transfer Portal where you can basically revamp your roster overnight - and that is exactly what Norvell did. They were among the biggest "winners" of the Portal (on paper) and yet they just lost to Jacksonville State. That is bad, really bad.
Posted on 9/13/21 at 10:17 pm to Gcockboi
Posted on 9/13/21 at 10:35 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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Christobal could be in play
Maybe...but right now, Cristobal already has a better job.
Posted on 9/13/21 at 10:37 pm to Shaft Williams
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Bro, Napier has worked for Saban twice. That puts his resume under consideration for any Power 5 job.
So did Derek Dooley.
Posted on 9/13/21 at 10:44 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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In a vacuum the USC job is one of the 2 or 3 best in football
Uhhh, no. Alabama, Oklahoma, Ohio State, Notre Dame, Oregon.
All better than USC in that same vacuum. All have just as much recruiting power locally and nationwide. With Nike, Oregon has access to more money than God and is in far better shape now.
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but their facilities are nothing special
Facilities go in the vacuum, pal. Money, tradition, facilities. You can't separate out facilities from a job and say "top 3 job but their facilities are nothing special." Facilities are evidence of money and a willingness to spend it.
Posted on 9/13/21 at 10:46 pm to MacMan10
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They tried to pull Jimbo but couldn’t. Then he went to A&M.
Well to be fair, The Governor at the time Bobby Jindal was setting up a run for the 2016 GOP Presidential bid. So in November 2015, he while balancing his budget almost totally on the back of Higher ED did not want the optics of LSU firing a coach and paying what was then I think 16 Million in buyout. Jindal saved Miles az.... in 2015.
I don't see the current Governor expending capital to save O for several reasons. First, it was in 2016 when JBE was Governor that 1) Alleva was launched and 2) F King Alexander launched by JBE's appointed LSU BOS.
In addition, with all the off the field PR stuff, if O does not win on the field, I don't see any powerful LA Politicians or LSU BOS expending capital for him.
Posted on 9/13/21 at 11:13 pm to Beef Supreme
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Man it really is amazing what that fluky win against Iowa St has done for him.
I don’t think you are looking at this in the right way … you seem to want to look at a few win-loss games and have that define whether a young coach is a good prospect… Well, in that case go hire Herman from Houston or some flash. Guess what…
Now I’m going to channel Saban for y’all so it can be understood. It isn’t the wins-losses, it is the process. If you organize, plan, recruit, study, register for the right classes, wetght train.. etc. exactly to a micro managed plan organized by someone with a deep insight into the game, the wins will take care of themselves.
That SI article laid out Napier’s methodology… and that methodology has a direct arrow from Saban towards winning… showing a far better understanding of the underlying philosophy than his other ex-coaches. Napier is an excellent offensive mind, but his time with Saban apparently showed him how to organize a program… not just coach.
And that is what he had done in Lafayette, a true backwater program. People saying “he” lost to Texas… was lucky to beat ISU… etc. that isn’t the point… The point is he has built a well organized machine in that backwater…. And guess what…the wins started coming. He apparently knows how to do it.
LSU, USC, go hire your coach Kiffin, or Merlin, or some flavor of the month from podunkville who had a great 11-1 season with a fluky good QB. That would fit trying to do a Cznk or O, get lucky one time.
Or… look closely at Napier (or Jeff Brohm.) Napier is the guy that seeks to understand “the process” it takes to build a sustainable program. You choose what you would rather have… I’ll take the Saban model.
You are welcome.
This post was edited on 9/13/21 at 11:26 pm
Posted on 9/13/21 at 11:18 pm to Jacknola
Bill O’Brian will be announced as usc head coach the week before playoffs because of course he will
Posted on 9/13/21 at 11:25 pm to Crimsonite94
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Who does LSU get any better?
See, you’re looking at this this the wrong way. It’s not about finding someone better than Napier, rather it’s about finding someone better than O.
That opens up a world of candidates. LOL
Posted on 9/13/21 at 11:29 pm to Jacknola
Jacknola bringing the knowledge. BTW, let me add how much I enjoyed reading something besides trash talk and school shaming.
Well done.
Well done.
Posted on 9/13/21 at 11:33 pm to Shaft Williams
I could be wrong, but I am not sold on Napier. Not yet.
I understand 2019 was a good season for ULL, but I don't take much from the 2020 season. I would like to see how he finishes out this season as well.
I understand 2019 was a good season for ULL, but I don't take much from the 2020 season. I would like to see how he finishes out this season as well.
Posted on 9/13/21 at 11:44 pm to Gcockboi
Yeah, me too.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 10:40 am to Jacknola
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I don’t think you are looking at this in the right way … you seem to want to look at a few win-loss games and have that define whether a young coach is a good prospect… Well, in that case go hire Herman from Houston or some flash. Guess what…
Now I’m going to channel Saban for y’all so it can be understood. It isn’t the wins-losses, it is the process. If you organize, plan, recruit, study, register for the right classes, wetght train.. etc. exactly to a micro managed plan organized by someone with a deep insight into the game, the wins will take care of themselves.
That SI article laid out Napier’s methodology… and that methodology has a direct arrow from Saban towards winning… showing a far better understanding of the underlying philosophy than his other ex-coaches. Napier is an excellent offensive mind, but his time with Saban apparently showed him how to organize a program… not just coach.
And that is what he had done in Lafayette, a true backwater program. People saying “he” lost to Texas… was lucky to beat ISU… etc. that isn’t the point… The point is he has built a well organized machine in that backwater…. And guess what…the wins started coming. He apparently knows how to do it.
The problem with what you just said is that it sounds nice on paper, but I'm not sure that it has actualized for Billy Napier in real-world applications.
Yes, his recruiting pedigree is very promising, and his time under Saban suggests that he has learned "the process", and he SAYS the right things that imply that he is a "Saban disciple" - but do the on-field results actually indicate that he has implemented, or even knows how to implement said process?
You say that he has built a "well organized machine", but if you actually look at the results - his teams have played a frightening amount of nail-biter games against completely subpar competition. These are games that they ultimately won, but they were by margins that were razor thin, to the degree that had the ball bounced a different way once or twice, they would be L's in the final Win-Loss column. His teams seem to PLAY DOWN against other G5 opponents that at this point in his tenure he should be handling easily. In many of these games, his teams have made baffling mistakes, and he himself has made questionable coaching decisions. Again, this is completely unlike Saban.
2021
27-24 win against Mercer (who got handled easily by Memphis the week prior)
2020
34-31 overtime win against Georgia State
20-18 win against Georgia Southern
2019
31-30 win against a bad UL Monroe team
In each of the past two seasons he has lost the head-to-head matchup against the "G5 Powerhouse" program of the given season: in 2019 he lost twice to Appalachian State, and in 2020 he lost to Coastal Carolina. These were THE "marquee matchups" of ranked G5 teams in 2019 and 2020.
He's in Year 4 at that program and they don't look like they're where they should be. Again, if he was really implementing the "Saban methodology", shouldn't his team be rolling at this point? The fact that they lost to Texas isn't a deal breaker, but they lost so handedly that it actually had people believing that "Texas was back". Then the very next week, Texas gets handled EASILY by Arkansas - so really, the fact that they couldn't hang within 20 points of an average Texas team who was playing their 1st game under a brand new regime in a rebuild is kind of worrying. Then they go out the very next week and squeak out a 3-point win against freaking Mercer. Again, he's in Year 4 here and coming off a 10-1 season. After two games, Year 4 looks incredibly underwhelming.
Now compare him to Jamey Chadwell and Coastal Carolina who are absolutely ROLLING opponents. If I'm hiring an "up-and-coming" G5 coach, those are the results I want to see. Chadwell's only close games last season were to the teams that SHOULD have been close matchups (ie: to teams that are of comparable talent to his own). They handled every team that was below them easily, and I don't see a single scare on their schedule. So far this season they have come out and rolled the Citadel 52-14, and then slapped Kansas 49-22. The same Georgia State team that Napier had to go into overtime to beat last season, Chadwell beat them 51-0.
So we can go on and on about how he "studied under Saban", "learned his methodology", etc. His teams don't seem to play with anywhere near the same polish or consistency that mark a "Nick Saban coached team". What you in fact see is lots of really close games in matchups that should NOT have been close, and lots of losses in the "G5 Super Bowls" on Louisiana's schedule.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 10:42 am to Gcockboi
I think LSU has their eye on cristobal
Posted on 9/14/21 at 12:17 pm to BamaGradinTn
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Maybe...but right now, Cristobal already has a better job.
Hahahahaha LSU has won three national championships (w/ 3 diff coaches) in the last 18 years, how many does Oregon have? That’s right 0.
Cristobal is more than in play and you’re absolutely fooling yourself if you think otherwise. I like Kiffin too.
This post was edited on 9/14/21 at 12:22 pm
Posted on 9/14/21 at 12:24 pm to metafour
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They got killed by Texas in week 1 (a team that now looks extremely average) and just beat Nicholls by a whopping 3-points (Memphis beat Nicholls 42-17 the week prior). Louisiana looks very average so far
i agree they have looked average, but they were in the texas game until the end. They got out talented and in the end it was still big 12 vs sunbelt
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apier has only had two seasons of success as a HC - that isn't much of a resume.
i would say 3 as his first year was still an improvement after 3 straight losing seasons and coming off all the BS with HUD.
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Lots of these small-school guys can make waves for ~2-3 seasons - FSU thought they had the "real deal" in Mike Norvell too.
If fsu gives Norvell time, he will be fine. Taggart destroyed that program and Norvell had hardly anyone left after taggart. Coming in during covid should buy him another 2 years after this to get the culture right.
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Scott Frost at UCF, etc.
anyone that knew anything about Frost and UCF could see he was a pretender and wasnt close to ready for big boy ball. Very Evident at Nebraska.
Napier has steadly built ULL. both recruiting and record and in off the field things, building a real program.
USC has no interest in him but he will be a stud no matter where he goes.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 12:32 pm to Beef Supreme
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Man it really is amazing what that fluky win against Iowa St has done for him. Yes he has won in a place that doesn't win much (except for the coach before him), but they got ranked last year because there just wasn't a lot of football to rank teams with. That was one of the few ooc games that there was. And when they became ranked the pac 12 and big 10 weren't playing.
you mean the 3 straight losing seasons and no more than 8 wins ever? Thats what you call winning?
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Then this year they were ranked in the preseason because of that. But Napier and ULL struggle against teams they're favored against. Theyre horrible to bet on. If he and his team were as good as the hype dont you think they would be blowing their weak arse conference foes out? 3 pt ot win against Ga South, 2 pt win over Ga State, 4 pt win over UAB.... this year is a 3 pt win over Nichols. I mean he very well may be a good coach at a power 5 school one day but this level of hype is odd.
if you go look, they actually do very well against teams with more talent than them. I dont know about the spreads like you but winning is winning and he has upgraded the talent level there.
personally i would rather Fleck or Cristobal before him but he is right there after them.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 12:39 pm to Gcockboi
Pete Carroll is gonna come back and Joe Moorhead will takeover the Seattle Seahawks.
Posted on 9/14/21 at 12:40 pm to metafour
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Now compare him to Jamey Chadwell and Coastal Carolina
same Chadwell that 7-4 at charleston southern after 4 years and the same that has only had 1 good year so far at Coastal? same one that had losing record in 17 as intern and 19 after he took over?
Way more flash in the pan than Napier
FTR i think both are going to be very good coaches in the long run but give me the one who has slowly upgraded everythign about the program they took over. One that understands the process.
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