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re: The new “opt out” bowls
Posted on 12/29/20 at 11:39 am to chillmonster
Posted on 12/29/20 at 11:39 am to chillmonster
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Plenty of high school kids play hurt to try and win championships. They delay early enrollment.
This is true, but plenty pf them don't, too.
And we have plenty of kid that will be going to the NFL that will play in "meaningless" Bowl games. We have some right here at Georgia, believe it or not.
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Imagine the state only took 4 schools and everyone else got invites to invitational exhibitions. Not hard imaging a lot of kids skipping that.
When I played in High School the state took one team from each region. Period. My sophomore year the team was pretty awful and you know what I saw? I saw one kid getting his head sewn up on the sideline during halftime by a doctor they called out of the stands. I saw another kid play for weeks with a broken hand wrapped in gauze and foam.
Sometimes kids want to play and sometimes they just don't want to play.
Oh, and the kid who played with a broken hand? Turns out his senior year he was All State LB and played college football. Imagine.
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Posted on 12/29/20 at 11:43 am to Peter Buck
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Breaking News! Vandy, Miss State, USC, and Auburn all just opted out for the 2021 season. Sources say the programs will be back once they can “compete for rings”
Well....that is the reason they play, right?
It is easy to tell who the posters are that have played and who has not played. Trouble is we can't argue with them, because they think people (you and me for starters) who have played don't know what we are talking about and they think they DO know what playing is like even though they have never done it before.
Which is why I am dropping this thread. It just doesn't pay to argue with some people in here because they read articles written by people who have never played and think it equates to reality.
Posted on 12/29/20 at 2:37 pm to Peter Buck
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Bless your heart.
As usual, you bring zero substance any time your antiquated ideas are challenged. COVID times haven’t changed you at all.
Posted on 12/29/20 at 2:52 pm to DawgsLife
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You mean players playing in DIII don't opt out to get ready for the NFL? Shocker.
You don't see kids quit their college basketball teams in the middle of the season.
Posted on 12/29/20 at 3:18 pm to DawgsLife
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is easy to tell who the posters are that have played and who has not played
This is hilarious. Your age/experience from a far bygone era actually works against you and Peter in discussions like this.
Whatever you Experienced back then isn’t as applicable in modern times as you want to believe. Times have changed. Motivations have changed. Y’all simply can’t relate anymore:
1. It’s NOT a coincidence that opting out started after year 1 of the playoffs.
2. It’s NOT a coincidence playoff players aren’t slipping their bowls, while non playoff players are skipping.
None of y’all’s responses acknowledge this reality.
Posted on 12/29/20 at 3:42 pm to djsdawg
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It’s NOT a coincidence that opting out started after year 1 of the playoffs.
Players have opted out before then.
Is it a coincidence that you didnt know that?
The reason for more opt outs are based upon the actions of agents.
They have watched Jerry mcguire.
They haven't done their job until the athlete signs on the dotted line. Handshakes arent allowed anymore.
The agent will look after the athletes interest after it is in writing (note: no agent looks for the athletes interest before it is in writing. If you dont understand why... see jerry mcguire)
Posted on 12/29/20 at 4:11 pm to meansonny
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Players have opted out before then.
Who started this concept of quitting a team before their bowl game IYO?
Posted on 12/29/20 at 4:21 pm to djsdawg
Christian McCaffrey is the first one I remember and I think that was in 2017.
Posted on 12/29/20 at 4:32 pm to meansonny
The system also had a lot to do with it. Having a limited number of premier bowls made making a bowl more of an accomplishment even if you weren’t playing for a championship. Now any team with a pulse is in a bowl game so the intrinsic value is diminished. Half of the bowls last year had no fans...and this was pre COVID.
This makes the kids that decide to play and even return when they could move on that much more impressive IMO.
This makes the kids that decide to play and even return when they could move on that much more impressive IMO.
Posted on 12/29/20 at 6:22 pm to djsdawg
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As usual, you bring zero substance any time your antiquated ideas are challenged. COVID times haven’t changed you at all.
I broke it down and explained it in detail with real knowledge and experience. You somehow think you know more about it than I do. Like I said, bless your heart.
Posted on 12/29/20 at 6:35 pm to SquatchDawg
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The system also had a lot to do with it. Having a limited number of premier bowls made making a bowl more of an accomplishment even if you weren’t playing for a championship. Now any team with a pulse is in a bowl game so the intrinsic value is diminished. Half of the bowls last year had no fans...and this was pre COVID.
This makes the kids that decide to play and even return when they could move on that much more impressive IMO.
. There were less of them and making a bowl was a bigger deal, yes... but there were no rings and kids didn’t opt out. Of course, they couldn’t go to the NFL until 4 years after HS graduation. That was a NFL rule to not bite the hand that fed them. The USFL kinda broke it and then the NFL was on board for 3 years. Some players stay and some go after 3 years. Lots leave programs that could very well win “rings” the next year. At least they have the decency to quit after the season, but they are leaving “rings on the table”. The opt out thing is a new tool used by agents to secure signatures from players and advances on future monies, a focused training program for the combines and to have less exposure to injury. Since ESPN owns 1/3 of the bowls, I am sure they will be pressuring the NFL to minimize this... thread is now over. Thanks and have a nice evening...
Posted on 12/29/20 at 6:52 pm to Peter Buck
My point is that your ancient "real knowledge and experience" really isnt worth much in a discussion about modern 20 year old CFB players, but bless your delusional heart for thinking you know it all.
Agents have been aggressively going after athletes for a long time, yet player now opting out of bowl games has been a very recent development, so what changed? Why are players NOT opting out of the CWS or March Madness in similar fashion? Make yourself useful and answer the questions.
Agents have been aggressively going after athletes for a long time, yet player now opting out of bowl games has been a very recent development, so what changed? Why are players NOT opting out of the CWS or March Madness in similar fashion? Make yourself useful and answer the questions.
Posted on 12/29/20 at 8:12 pm to djsdawg
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Agents have been aggressively going after athletes for a long time, yet player now opting out of bowl games has been a very recent development, so what changed? Why are players NOT opting out of the CWS or March Madness in similar fashion? Make yourself useful and answer the questions.
Basketball players can leave after 1 year if they are good enough. Baseball players can sign with MLB in High School. Neither of these sports have a combine to the level of the NFL, nor do they have millions of dollars at stake based on a 40 time, bench press, broad jump, 3 cone, shuttle, etc. There is a growing a lucrative industry for NFL draft prep. Google it. One of my kids works for one of them. It is a huge industry. They do nutrition and Wonderlick training as well. The combine is in Mid February. Opt outs get 4 extra weeks to train. Agents sell this and pay for it... well, they technically front them the $$. Without this, there would be no reason to opt out.
Posted on 12/29/20 at 8:34 pm to Peter Buck
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Basketball players can leave after 1 year if they are good enough.
Do they quit for march madness? Nope. That would be the equivalent to what we are discussing.
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Baseball players can sign with MLB in High School.
Do they quit for CWS? Nope. That would be the equivalent to what we are discussing.
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Neither of these sports have a combine to the level of the NFL, nor do they have millions of dollars at stake based on a 40 time, bench press, broad jump, 3 cone, shuttle, etc. There is a growing a lucrative industry for NFL draft prep.
So why does this only matter to CFB players who are NOT in the playoffs? Agents want them too, and they would benefit from draft prep, and they would reduce risk of injury, yet they dont quit before their bowl games. Why is that?
The common theme for players NOT quitting before the post seasons seems to be a chance to win a championship.
Perhaps those players DO value the chance to win championships? Pretty obvious they do IMO.
I guess playing CFB in the 1980's, or whatever dawgslife claims to have played, is NOT required for one to understand the mind of a competitive young athlete in the playoff era after all.
Posted on 12/29/20 at 8:44 pm to djsdawg
Wow, you are right, it’s all about the rings. You are so wise. 
Posted on 12/29/20 at 9:17 pm to Peter Buck
Which once again begs the question.....
What makes a playoff player different from a non playoff player?
Its not agents, extra draft prep, or injury risk mgmt as those factors exist for all players.
So what is it? Lets see how wise you can be.
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......why does this only matter to CFB players who are NOT in the playoffs?
What makes a playoff player different from a non playoff player?
Its not agents, extra draft prep, or injury risk mgmt as those factors exist for all players.
So what is it? Lets see how wise you can be.
Posted on 12/29/20 at 10:25 pm to djsdawg
The BCS started in 1998. There were no opt outs for players not in the NC game until 2016. All the playoff did was add a game and 4 possible teams instead of 2. There is a very long history of players not opting out of post season games, even though they were not playing for the “ring”. In 2016 a player who was dinged decided to opt and he was considered a 1st round. He was eventually drafted high and the floodgates were opened. This year, there were numerous pre season opt outs, including at least one player on a team in the playoffs and a number of players on teams that were considered contenders. There were also a number that quit during the season.
We are 23 years into the National Championship game being played on the field in college football. We are 4 years into the opt out option. In year 1 of the opt out option there were 2. This year, there are 100s. The trend has gained significant momentum. Rings aren’t going to stop it.
We are 23 years into the National Championship game being played on the field in college football. We are 4 years into the opt out option. In year 1 of the opt out option there were 2. This year, there are 100s. The trend has gained significant momentum. Rings aren’t going to stop it.
Posted on 12/29/20 at 10:39 pm to Peter Buck
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Rings aren’t going to stop it.
There is no magic bullet, but even you can't deny that evidence supports the idea playoff invites make a HUGES difference in regards to stopping it. So far the playoff works very well on players for 4 teams.
Posted on 12/29/20 at 11:05 pm to Peter Buck
Dude from OK State decided to opt out at halftime in his bowl game.
Posted on 12/29/20 at 11:11 pm to SquatchDawg
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Now any team with a pulse is in a bowl game so the intrinsic value is diminished. Half of the bowls last year had no fans
That's part of it, but not all of it. Doing away with old bowl pairings cost a lot of fans. By way of example, the Rose Bowl used to be huge for Big Ten teams - it's nice to get a free trip to sunny California in the middle of a Midwestern winter. That's something to play for, and for fans to travel to see. And the game had bragging rights for both the Big Ten and Pac Ten, so even if their teams weren't going, the fans from each conference still cared about who won. Taking that out of the equation cost something.
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