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re: OT- Let your state reps know how you feel
Posted on 12/8/20 at 12:23 pm to VADawg
Posted on 12/8/20 at 12:23 pm to VADawg
True but the distribution of wage increase and price increases means most of the citizens end up much better off.
A higher wage floor ripples up, increasing wages with inflation. That means more buying power, increased consumption, and less commercial debt. It's a net positive.
A higher wage floor ripples up, increasing wages with inflation. That means more buying power, increased consumption, and less commercial debt. It's a net positive.
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Posted on 12/8/20 at 12:31 pm to deeprig9
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Which shelter, and how old, what's her weight?
Now you're just trying to figure out who I am.
Cobb, superbowl weekend will be 7 years now, and was 6 months when we got him. Weight probably around 40 pounds... maybe 45 right now because he's been a fatty bo batty and gobbling up my kids dropped food at every opportunity.
Frisbee nut, but between new infant at home, a home renovation that continues to drag on, and work being a complete shite show, I've been negligent in my frisbee throwing duties of late.Posted on 12/8/20 at 1:53 pm to Lucius Clay
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So now it's on to the last of the hardcore imbeciles going along with Trump-endorsed conspiracy theories (which by the way are mainly aimed at bilking dummies out of money to pay the campaign debt).
Did you vote for Stacy Abrams? I'm just trying to introduce the pot to the kettle.
Posted on 12/8/20 at 5:31 pm to chillmonster
quote:It results in a US dollar that has no value. It means you pay $17 for a burger so the fact that you're making a couple more dollars doesn't actually help. It means if you travel, your money is worth less than it was before we decided to give in to kids who are mad because they work hard for a little bit of money. Instead of learning a lesson from their shite job that they're supposed to learn, they learn that enough of them bitch about it, they don't need a marketable skill. They'll just all get raises for complaining. Then in 5 years they'll bitch because everything is so expensive and they won't understand why because they never needed to get an education because people that make policies gave in to their idiotic complaints. Kids are supposed to work a shite job, learn that it sucks and go do something with themselves so they can make more for their time. They never will now that they know they can get their way by throwing a massive tantrum.
That means more buying power, increased consumption, and less commercial debt. It's a net positive.
Posted on 12/8/20 at 6:24 pm to SneakyWaff1es
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It means you pay $17 for a burger so the fact that you're making a couple more dollars doesn't actually help.
Let's just put this to bed right now.
Minimum wage in San Francisco: 15.59
Cost of a Big Mac: 3.99
Cost of a Big Mac Meal delivered (Door Dash): 11.59
Minimum Wage in Atlanta: 7.25 (Federal Wage)
Cost of a Big Mac: 3.99
Cost of a Big Mac Meal delivered (Door Dash): 9.49
Chances that those San Fran franchises are operating at a loss for no reason: ZERO
Annual Wage increase from $9/hr to 15/hr: $14,500
That's money spent on cars, movies, food, Christmas gifts, etc. It's also money not paid in WIC and other welfare programs, which all subsidize low wage employers. It's organic stimulus directly towards those most likely to spend, which even the most basic economic education tells you drives the economy (and with that the earnings of almost every business) much more than any tax cut or government spending program.
PLUS it lowers the deficit without raising taxes while organically cutting entitlements.
It does cut some corporate profits, but that argument only works if corporations are re-investing profits instead of doing the stock-buybacks that are current SOP. Why not force that money back into the economy to promote growth instead of debt?
Conservative, liberal, or whatever increasing the minimum wage makes sense.
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Kids are supposed to work a shite job, learn that it sucks and go do something with themselves so they can make more for their time.
More than half of low wage workers are over 25. 44% of all US workers are low wage. For a society it makes more sense to take the most economically beneficial option than it does to "teach people a lesson."
This post was edited on 12/8/20 at 6:27 pm
Posted on 12/8/20 at 6:52 pm to SneakyWaff1es
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It results in a US dollar that has no value. It means you pay $17 for a burger so the fact that you're making a couple more dollars doesn't actually help. It means if you travel, your money is worth less than it was before
It's a lot more nuanced than just "increasing the minimum wage = massive inflation.
Just so it's clear, I'm not personally for increased minimum wage as a "fix" for income inequality... at least not a one shot, rip the bandaid approach. I think there are better options to meet in the middle. One of the underlooked aspects of a flat increase to minimum wages nationally is that a lot of union job salaries are also tied to the minimum wage number (ie. Minimum Wage + X Variable component), so those would be impacted indirectly by any change to minimum wage. I think there is room for a minimum wage to exist, but perhaps offer tax incentives (carrot) for organizations that work to develop their employees and grow their career and wage into something resembling a "living wage" and/or tax penalties (stick) for organizations that essentially burn and churn minimum wage workers with no intent to have them grow into more meaningful/skilled positions (or maybe put caveats of workers over the age of 22 or 25 - the minimum wage amendments in the mid nineties had some kind of under 20 sub-minimum wage IIRC). Often people will say "but muh small businesses", but in that case, you can put the same employee size limits that you see for other legislation that is designed to ensure that small businesses aren't negatively impacted while major corporations at least have to work harder to skirt the rules.
I'm also of the mind that as a country we need to get the frick away from a "tipping culture" as a mechanism to prevent paying servers and other service workers a fair wage (in fact substantially less than minimum wage). Just charge me what I need to pay so that your employees earn a reasonable wage for their work... if I decide to tip a few bucks, then that's between me and them and whether they did a *good* job, rather than just showed up and didn't shite on my plate.
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Kids are supposed to work a shite job, learn that it sucks and go do something with themselves so they can make more for their time. They never will now that they know they can get their way by throwing a massive tantrum.
Out of curiosity, how old are you and/or when did you graduate from UGA. When I graduated in '05, in-state tuition (for people who weren't on HOPE) was about 2200/semester IIRC. In 2020 it's up to nearly 5000/semester. Over a 120% increase over that 15 year time span. Meanwhile, minimal starting salary gains have been made, cost of living has increased over that time, etc...
There is also a bit of a misconception that minimum wage earners are heavily made up of teenagers/kids.
You can see that more than 50% of all earners at or below minimum wage are 25 years or older, and they make up roughly 62% of all those who earn below minimum wage. That's not to say that they aren't responsible for their own choices, but someone has to fill those jobs too...
Ultimately, I think there is room to move the minimum wage up, eventually even up to $15/hour potentially... but the key is not sitting on our asses for 13 years and letting things get out of control... rather making incremental lifts to the minimum to keep up with rising costs of living so that businesses and employers can adjust to those changes in the same way they do other market changes.
... I gotta go take care of a crying baby, so I'll wrap up here... might pick back up later if there is any interest in real discussion from anyone.
This post was edited on 12/8/20 at 6:55 pm
Posted on 12/8/20 at 6:56 pm to fibonaccisquared
Who makes less than minimum wage in georgia?
Posted on 12/8/20 at 7:06 pm to meansonny
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Who makes less than minimum wage in georgia?
Workers with certain handicaps can earn less than minimum wages. Some students as well. Might be more but those are the ones I know.
Posted on 12/8/20 at 7:12 pm to chillmonster
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Workers with certain handicaps can earn less than minimum wages
Not the same situation.
The employers for those handicapped individuals are providing care and assuming liability for health of those individuals. Call it "state sponsored" day care. More often than not, the employers are providing transportation to and from as well.
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Some students as well
I'm not sure what you are specifically referencing.
Labor laws are labor laws. It is illegal to compensate under minimum wage. That includes salary positions who work overtime (compensation must be equal or greater than minimum wage and overtime at that minimum payrate).
Posted on 12/9/20 at 8:10 am to deeprig9
Yes my brotha! To hell with democrats!
Posted on 12/9/20 at 8:53 am to dirty bastard
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To hell with democrats
know how I know you think you're a christian?
Posted on 12/9/20 at 11:37 am to fibonaccisquared
I'm 39. I'm a nurse...I'm a sidewalk fan. I worked fast food in high school and decided that shite was not for me. I went in the military and let them pay for my college. I have no school debt. My wife is an ARNP that was also in the military so she has no school debt.
There are plenty of opportunities for anyone that wants to make a better living than the one they're making flipping burgers. Instead...we cave in to their bitching.
There are plenty of opportunities for anyone that wants to make a better living than the one they're making flipping burgers. Instead...we cave in to their bitching.
Posted on 12/9/20 at 1:18 pm to VADawg
This thread is littered with retarded, blanket generalizations from both sides. As if we live in a world with no nuance, no gray area. It's all black and white when it comes to politics. The two party system is going to take us all down, and most of us can't even see it.
Posted on 12/9/20 at 1:31 pm to retooc
You know how you know I don't give a dam? My only prayer at this point is that we have a chance to destroy you all like you have our country.
Posted on 12/9/20 at 2:09 pm to chillmonster
If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. I'm not an economist. I have a hard time believing prices won't go up when wages go up without something else changing. Food cost in San Francisco is 22% higher than Atlanta. Entertainment is 27% higher and transportation is 31% higher. Seems like they're still spending more for the same shite than they do in Atlanta.
I see where we're going with this. Since you have low wage employees, why don't you just pay them higher wages and help with the economy? Why wait for the government to make you?
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For a society it makes more sense to take the most economically beneficial option than it does to "teach people a lesson."
I see where we're going with this. Since you have low wage employees, why don't you just pay them higher wages and help with the economy? Why wait for the government to make you?
Posted on 12/9/20 at 2:14 pm to chillmonster
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It's also money not paid in WIC and other welfare programs, which all subsidize low wage employers.
So there's some provision in the wage increase proposal that cuts welfare benefits? I'll believe it when I see it. If that were true, I would even spend a few minutes considering the proposal.
Posted on 12/9/20 at 2:30 pm to deeprig9
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So there's some provision in the wage increase proposal that cuts welfare benefits? I'll believe it when I see it. If that were true, I would even spend a few minutes considering the proposal.
That might be the best part. There doesn't need to be a provision in the bill. Over 50% of SNAP beneficiaries work low wage jobs. Raising wages above poverty levels moves workers off means tested programs automatically.
I'm sure Bernie will appreciate your vote. Cheers!
Posted on 12/9/20 at 2:32 pm to VADawg
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We're the cause of all of the division though, right?
Do you believe she would have posted this if she did not receive death threats?
I'm not saying what she said is okay.
I'm simply asking you, as you are claiming that Trump supporters didn't start "the divisions."
do you think she posts that if she does not receive death threats?
Posted on 12/9/20 at 2:34 pm to dirty bastard
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My only prayer at this point is that we have a chance to destroy you all like you have our country.
Prayers up big dawg.
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