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re: Yahoo Sports Claims Cancelling Football is about Union Busting
Posted on 8/12/20 at 9:44 am to CU_Tigers4life
Posted on 8/12/20 at 9:44 am to CU_Tigers4life
" #WeWantToPlay, a group lobbying to be allowed to play, college football players across the US declared that they want to play this season, but they want to play on the condition that they “ultimately create a college football players association.”
I listened to CFB radio and watched a lot of TV talking heads and heard podcats all extolling the virtues of the #WeWantToPlay movement and all of them failed to point out that the part in bold and underlined above was part of that movements statement....coaches and even the President of the US came out in support of that movement...is it safe to assume that they also support a college football players association????? I would posit it is not....they, like almost everyone, missed the point of the #WeWantToPlay movement and that is to form a players association. Its going to happen, it can not be stopped...and it should happen. Either CFB or the NFL or a combination of the two are going to be forced to share the wealth that CFB generates with the people who actually generate the wealth....
I listened to CFB radio and watched a lot of TV talking heads and heard podcats all extolling the virtues of the #WeWantToPlay movement and all of them failed to point out that the part in bold and underlined above was part of that movements statement....coaches and even the President of the US came out in support of that movement...is it safe to assume that they also support a college football players association????? I would posit it is not....they, like almost everyone, missed the point of the #WeWantToPlay movement and that is to form a players association. Its going to happen, it can not be stopped...and it should happen. Either CFB or the NFL or a combination of the two are going to be forced to share the wealth that CFB generates with the people who actually generate the wealth....
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Posted on 8/12/20 at 9:45 am to Prof
Don't discount political pressure from the State Houses. Michigan has Whitmer wh is a tyrant with lipstick and Illinois has Pritzker who is almost as tyrannical in Illinois....Wiscy and Minne also run by control freak libs.
Posted on 8/12/20 at 9:46 am to CU_Tigers4life
I think it's the opposite, cancelling the season will be what pushes them to try an unionize.
Posted on 8/12/20 at 9:50 am to GetCocky11
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I mean, I think the heart defect thing is a convenient cover that the Big 10 is using.
I agree BUT, not to derail the thread, I do wonder if the heart thing is more dangerous to a highly tuned athlete than it is to an accountant? Serious question...occasionally a highly tuned athlete will drop dead and often we hear that they had a heart defect that was undetectable due to their high level of physical shape...i don't know if there is any science behind that but we do hear it occasionally. If it is possible it also seems plausible that an athlete at that level of conditioning with the heart problem suspected in COVID may have that problem go undetected yet it could cause a major problem for them later in life of even at an early age. If there is any chance of that the liability issue is real. Imagine a future NFL star dying and the evidence suggesting it was due to his bout with COVID which he as exposed to during college football.
The people making this decision can be wrong a million ways by cancelling but they better be 100% correct if they decide to play....
Posted on 8/12/20 at 9:52 am to GetCocky11
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I mean, I think the heart defect thing is a convenient cover that the Big 10 is using.
All of the other students face the same risk. There is zero concern about them.
Posted on 8/12/20 at 9:57 am to CU_Tigers4life
There is so much money being left on the table for a year of football. maybe they are playing the long game attempting to preserve the profitability of amateurism, but honestly I think it's just more likely the people running the B10 and P12 are pussies.
Posted on 8/12/20 at 10:01 am to The Winner
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They're unionizing because their failing leaders are cancelling their season. As they should.
Amateurs can't unionize. Unless you want to pay players in an open market, this can't happen.
Posted on 8/12/20 at 10:06 am to CU_Tigers4life
This article is a reprint from the Guardian, a UK based communist rag that is only suitable for use as toilet paper.
It has zero to do with reality, as unionization of student athletes legally isn't possible. Could bad PR have been a factor? Sure. But no university with a competent legal counsel is really worried about the prospect of a real life union coming to fruition.
Personally, I think the real reason this happened is that many of the schools in these two conferences are about to decide that they cannot have in person classes this Fall, after all (now that they've pocketed most students Fall tuition and fees). Can't play football if you aren't having in person classes.
It has zero to do with reality, as unionization of student athletes legally isn't possible. Could bad PR have been a factor? Sure. But no university with a competent legal counsel is really worried about the prospect of a real life union coming to fruition.
Personally, I think the real reason this happened is that many of the schools in these two conferences are about to decide that they cannot have in person classes this Fall, after all (now that they've pocketed most students Fall tuition and fees). Can't play football if you aren't having in person classes.
Posted on 8/12/20 at 10:13 am to Gtmodawg
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specially when coupled with the fact that the vast majority of those black men spend 3-4 years working very hard to finance the gymnastics team only to find themselves with no future in the NFL, no degree and basically unemployable
I don't know about UGA, but LSU graduates almost all of their athletes and those guys all have a hand up in the hiring process because employers know what kind of work ethic it takes to play college football and companies love to have former LSU players as part of their team.
Posted on 8/12/20 at 10:24 am to Gtmodawg
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They are gonna be paid, either by CFB or by a NFL developmental league...the market is there, the capital is there and the labor is there...its only a matter of time....
I get what you're saying, but the players lose out on a ton of media hype losing the branding of the colleges. There may be a market for watching a D-league with big time recruits but that market is miniscule without the history, tradition and branding of the college programs. I personally wouldn't GAF about watching a football D-league if my alma mater isn't on the helmet and my frenemies in the SEC on the other side. I know that I'm not the only one because the D-league for the NBA has way higher quality basketball than the NCAA does, but guess who watches it?
Edit: I say this knowing the recruits wouldn't GAF about branding if they are getting paid and still drafted in the 1st round in April.
This post was edited on 8/12/20 at 10:25 am
Posted on 8/12/20 at 10:27 am to Choupique19
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I don't know about UGA, but LSU graduates almost all of their athletes and those guys all have a hand up in the hiring process because employers know what kind of work ethic it takes to play college football and companies love to have former LSU players as part of their team.
The data is pretty indicative that many CFB players do not do well when they are finished playing CFB. While many do receive a degree many were handed that degree to keep them eligible. Yes, there are many who do quite well for themselves but there are about as many who do not....I am sure there are stories of LSU players who were stars at LSU who wound up in prison or dead or in dead end careers just like there are at all schools. This is true of all universities. The fact that that person could've earned a substantial amount of money while playing CFB and financing the AD is not going to be discounted any longer....
Posted on 8/12/20 at 10:35 am to wutangfinancial
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I get what you're saying, but the players lose out on a ton of media hype losing the branding of the colleges. There may be a market for watching a D-league with big time recruits but that market is miniscule without the history, tradition and branding of the college programs. I personally wouldn't GAF about watching a football D-league if my alma mater isn't on the helmet and my frenemies in the SEC on the other side. I know that I'm not the only one because the D-league for the NBA has way higher quality basketball than the NCAA does, but guess who watches it?
Edit: I say this knowing the recruits wouldn't GAF about branding if they are getting paid and still drafted in the 1st round in April.
this is the only reason this hasn't happened yet and it isn't going to happen overnight because of this but over time this too will change. Take a look at what CFB was in the 1970's and what it became in the 1990's. The difference was that of night and day....the money is such now that it is too much risk to rely on an unpaid labor force.
CFB will still exist....and there will be some superstars who make it to the NFL...but the college game will be closer to its roots than it is now...you and I will still be pulling for the team with the correct logo on its helmet but there will be fewer of us...as there is today compared to just a few years ago....kids who play CFB will do so for the education or love of the game, not because it is the only route to the NFL.
There is also the possibility of the NFL and CFB partnering up in some manner that maintains CFB as we know it today....but there is no chance that the labor force is going to be paid in education promises only going forward because the money is just too much.
Posted on 8/12/20 at 10:44 am to twk
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It has zero to do with reality, as unionization of student athletes legally isn't possible. Could bad PR have been a factor? Sure. But no university with a competent legal counsel is really worried about the prospect of a real life union coming to fruition.
There is not a labor union in the United States today that came into existence in an environment where it was legal to form a labor union or be a member of a labor union. They are ALL illegal to begin with because capital makes the laws.....this is a source of strength for burgeoning labor unions, not a barrier to their formation. There is a wealth of literature available describing the labor movement in the United States and the world and nowhere has any movement been made where the law was on their side in the beginning. Even slaves throughout the history of mankind participated in labor actions that management would eventually have to address. The issue of legality and labor movements and actions is used to deter workers from organizing...once they are determined to do so those laws have no meaning whatsoever because that is the nature of a movement of people bent on making something a reality.
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