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re: Why was LSU football so bad in the '90s?

Posted on 5/5/20 at 12:40 pm to
Posted by cajunbama
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Posted on 5/5/20 at 12:40 pm to
Saban showed up and instilled a culture of winning that still exists there to this day. That’s what happened.
Posted by The_Ultimate_Warrior
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Posted on 5/5/20 at 12:43 pm to
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culture of winning that still exists there to this day



Posted by Mithridates6
Member since Oct 2019
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Posted on 5/5/20 at 12:47 pm to
From 1958-73 LSU was 5th nationally (why would Dartmouth, Boise State and SDSU be included, weren't they 1-aa?) in winning pct. I think Arizona State was part of what is now FCS as well.

It seems like desegregation hurt every SEC team except for Bama and UGA, but again this was well before my time. Bama dominated the SEC in the 1970s much more than Saban did

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This post was edited on 5/5/20 at 12:49 pm
Posted by Ohnoitsmymotherinlaw
Texas
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Posted on 5/5/20 at 12:52 pm to
A&M broke them?

A&M induced PTSD?

It’s plausible since can’t prove otherwise. Took them a decade to recover from that trauma.
Posted by Mithridates6
Member since Oct 2019
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Posted on 5/5/20 at 12:56 pm to
Yep aggy's only history of success in the modern era came with beating on a godawful SWC and LSU's worst teams ever, not to mention cheating y'all's asses off so badly that you almost go the death penalty
Posted by Lsupimp
Ersatz Amerika-97.6% phony & fake
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 5/5/20 at 12:58 pm to
How sadly limp- dicked is it that your entire Board identity is based around the “ glory “ of mediocre Aggie beating abysmal LSU almost three decades ago. Now that is embracing your essential program mediocrity.
Posted by XWing atAliciousness
Member since Jan 2018
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Posted on 5/5/20 at 1:04 pm to
Basically the same exact thing that happened to Texas in the 2010s:

Bad coaching, a stubbornness to adapt schemes, and inability to run a program with your own recruits beyond just landing them at your school over another.
Posted by cramps
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 5/5/20 at 1:07 pm to
SWC was bad in the 90s not the 80s, and A&M was good in both decades. Beat LSU 6 out of 7 starting in '89 (or 6 of 10 starting '86) and made y'all quit!
This post was edited on 5/5/20 at 1:08 pm
Posted by Mithridates6
Member since Oct 2019
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Posted on 5/5/20 at 1:11 pm to
It was bad in both. Texas and SMU fell off around 1984 and Arkansas in 1990. It's good to know that the pinnacle of Aggy history is beating our worst teams ever and winning a WAC tier conference (lost almost all big bowl games you played in). Y'all should vacate those years' wins as well out of respect for your "Code of Honor."
Posted by cramps
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Posted on 5/5/20 at 1:15 pm to
Just a footnote, don't flatter yourself, but you've already commented on things you don't know about. Should probably stay in your lane.
Posted by Mithridates6
Member since Oct 2019
8220 posts
Posted on 5/5/20 at 1:17 pm to
Aggy's awesome 1994 team (banned from TV and postseason play) beat one ranked team all season: #25 Texas (8-4) and tied with 1-9-1 SMU. That's a snapshot of yalls golden age
Posted by 4Ghost
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 5/5/20 at 1:20 pm to
Yall could have had Bobby Bowden had you won the ‘79 game against FSU. Mind boggling to think what Bowden could have done at LSU.
Posted by XWing atAliciousness
Member since Jan 2018
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Posted on 5/5/20 at 1:23 pm to
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It's good to know that the pinnacle of Aggy history is beating our worst teams ever and winning a WAC tier conference (lost almost all big bowl games you played in)

That's how they also validate any of their existence matched up with teams they care about. And especially how they validate their pitiful record against Texas.

From 1984-94, they beat Texas 10 of 11 games. Texas was in the midst of one of their worst 10-11 year stretches in the program's history. A&M: undoubtedly their best (despite the fact that there were multiple years they were banned from bowl games and television during that stretch, but you'll never hear them admit to that).

Take that 11-year stretch away, and A&M's record against Texas is 75-27-5

Take away that 10-year stretch of 1986-95 away, and A&M's record against the Tigers is 30-15-3.

So, what he's trying to say is that Texas A&M has basically been good for one period of time: mid 80s - mid 90s. shite, even the best athlete in the history of their school lost 6 games in 2 years between 2012-13.
Posted by cramps
Member since Oct 2012
2119 posts
Posted on 5/5/20 at 1:25 pm to
Won at big, bad Death Valley for the second consecutive trip, but I know that doesn't really count since it was before 2000. Hey, i don't blame LSU for having enough, though i really enjoyed the games.
Posted by cramps
Member since Oct 2012
2119 posts
Posted on 5/5/20 at 1:27 pm to
Nobody's making excuses here except y'all. Congrats on being able to Google, i guess.
Posted by michael corleone
baton rouge
Member since Jun 2005
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Posted on 5/5/20 at 1:29 pm to
Following the death of Bo Rein, it took LSU 20 years to find a coach who could literally coach well and recruit. Stovall was an excellent identifier if talent and recruiter. He was not a strong coach. LSU honored Bo Rein’s staff’s contract and kept them (and the veer) for a year or two. Stoval then hired a young Mac Brown as the OC , and the Tigers went to the Orange Bowl. Brown leaves and Stovall’s offensive and defensive hires and coaching slump despite the accumulation of talent. Arnsbarger comes in and coaches great talent at a high level. Arnsbarger wasn’t the best recruiter , which played out when he left. LSU turned the keys over to his 33 year old DC , Mike Archer, who is an excellent coach. This showed in his early success. Archer heavily relied upon out of state recruiting, many of which didn’t on out or left school to return home. Lots of depth and talent problems by the time Curly is hired. Curly couldn’t coach a 5 year old T ball team To an undefeated season in a rec league that doesn’t keep score, but he could damn well recruit. Dinardo comes in and immediately succeeds with Curly ‘a recruits. Dinardo continued to recruit very well, but he mismanaged his OC and DC hires. By the time 1998 arrived, Dinardo had new hires in both sides, neither of who were worth a damn. In the backdrop of all of this is NOLA recruiting (or lack thereof). LSU (someone will be able to provide the details bc I can’t remember) did not retain a NOLA high school coach on staff or consider one (possibly Otis Washington ). This lead to an all out revolt by most of the NOLA high schools against LSU. NS identified the issue on day one and solved it, cutting the loss of of talent to Florida, Miami, FSU, Nebraska, Colorado, etc. if you look at the Miami, Nebraska, Alabama,Tennessee,Colorado and FSU trajectories since 2000, you will see a stark contrast compared to LSU. They thrived for many years on Louisiana talent. Once LSU started to concentrate that talent on campus , it immediately became a consistent powerhouse. The only reason we don’t have more Nattys is the lack of coaching by Les and that’s a fact. Should have won one in 05 or 06(or both). 2010—-2014 should have resulted in at least one, possibly two.
Posted by Lsupimp
Ersatz Amerika-97.6% phony & fake
Member since Nov 2003
79171 posts
Posted on 5/5/20 at 1:31 pm to
1960s : LSU 9-0-1
1970s: LSU 3-3-1
1980s: LSU 3-1
1990s : A&M 5-1
2000s: LSU 8-1

Let’s see if you can find the anomaly. I’ll give you a hint; even after a decade of beat downs and 50-7 humiliations, you are clinging to it.
Posted by Mithridates6
Member since Oct 2019
8220 posts
Posted on 5/5/20 at 1:31 pm to
LSU was 4-7 that year. We were 25-13-3 against A&M before 1989 and have been 8-1 since 1995. Hard for an Ag to connect the dots, but from a statistical standpoint that 1989-95 stretch is definitely an outlier when yall got our worst teams ever. Congrats on beating them though, pinnacle of Aggy prowess
Posted by Mithridates6
Member since Oct 2019
8220 posts
Posted on 5/5/20 at 1:36 pm to
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Take that 11-year stretch away, and A&M's record against Texas is 75-27-5


Compare that to Auburn: 32-45-1 against Bama
Posted by cramps
Member since Oct 2012
2119 posts
Posted on 5/5/20 at 1:40 pm to
Nah, i just thought it was unfortunate y'all broke the agreement for whatever reason because i loved the games, win or lose. Who knows what would have happened had they continued.

I'm sure you LSU and t.u. folks can educate me more about A&M football.
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