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re: Why was LSU football so bad in the '90s?
Posted on 5/5/20 at 1:52 pm to cramps
Posted on 5/5/20 at 1:52 pm to cramps
One does not NEED to “ educate” oneself on something so incidental to college football. Being an Aggie football fan is like dedicating your life to being a diplomat and getting the assignment as under secretary to the ambassador to Burkina Faso. It’s cute , but don’t expect us to GAF. Your job is to show up, get your arse handed to you, collect your Milk Boys and GTFO.
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Posted on 5/5/20 at 1:59 pm to michael corleone
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Arnsbarger comes in and coaches great talent at a high level. Arnsbarger wasn’t the best recruiter , which played out when he left. LSU turned the keys over to his 33 year old DC , Mike Archer, who is an excellent coach. This showed in his early success.
This doesn't make sense, If Arnsparger wasn't a good recruiter, then why did Archer have his best success in his first two years? Everything I've heard is that Arnsparger left him a ton of talent and Archer squandered it. Hallman somewhat restocked the talent, but couldn't coach a HS team as you say
Posted on 5/5/20 at 2:07 pm to cramps
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I'm sure you LSU and t.u. folks can educate me more about A&M football
I don't know what Tulane, the team that has more SEC championships than A&M has played for, has anything to do with it. But regardless, I'm sure they'd agree that we wouldn't need to "educate" you if you weren't so willfully blind to your schools glaring lack of success and delusional to the point that you think A&M's on par with the football programs whose fans you're attempting to argue.
Key word "attempting" in that last sentence
This post was edited on 5/5/20 at 2:08 pm
Posted on 5/5/20 at 2:14 pm to Mithridates6
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Yep aggy's only history of success in the modern era came with beating on a godawful SWC and LSU's worst teams ever, not to mention cheating y'all's asses off so badly that you almost go the death penalty
Hahaha true! But it was the stinking sips who were behind all the sanctions. NCAA was the puppet and the sips always pulling the strings.
Anytime a team rose up to rival the sips on the field, they got the NCAA involved.
Examples: SMU, TCU, us, Baylor.
Ever hear of the sips getting probation? Me neither.
Posted on 5/5/20 at 2:16 pm to cramps
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and made y'all quit!
Truth!
Posted on 5/5/20 at 2:17 pm to Ohnoitsmymotherinlaw
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But it was the stinking sips who were behind all the sanctions. NCAA was the puppet and the sips always pulling the strings.
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Anytime a team rose up to rival the sips on the field, they got the NCAA involved
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Ever hear of the sips getting probation? Me neither
Wow. Hat trick.
For those of you who are unfamiliar with the "Burnt Orange Media Conspiracy" and the inferiority complex of A&M fans when talking about Texas, here are three perfect examples.
But you know, it's those big meanie sips in Austin "pulling the strings". LOL are you kidding me? Do you have any idea how much of a baby you sound like with that excuse, with no proof behind those claims might I add?
Ridiculous
Posted on 5/5/20 at 2:18 pm to Mithridates6
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and tied with 1-9-1 SMU
Did you see this game? On tv or in person? Or are you taking the fake news print media’s word for it?
Posted on 5/5/20 at 2:19 pm to Ohnoitsmymotherinlaw
I like the Aggie approach. Embrace the Inept ! Organize around the concept of Futility. If you are going to be a cfb cautionary tale, why not at least champion being a cfb cautionary tale.
Posted on 5/5/20 at 2:20 pm to XWing atAliciousness
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Wow. Hat trick.
Lmao @ hat trick
Posted on 5/5/20 at 2:22 pm to XWing atAliciousness
How many times has the NCAA placed the sips on probation?
I’ll wait.
I’ll wait.
Posted on 5/5/20 at 2:26 pm to Ohnoitsmymotherinlaw
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How many times has the NCAA placed the sips on probation?
I’ll wait.
Could you not ask that about any team? Look, I'm not going to sit here and say Texas has been clean as a whistle in their history. I'm not that naive. I'm also not naive enough to disbelieve that every team does it sans maybe BYU and Hawaii.
However, Texas not having been placed on probation is not equivalent to "Texas is cheating EVEN MORE after they get caught cheating in order to not pay a penalty." Again, you could say that about ANY team that hasn't been punished in recent or relevant history.
Show me proof that Texas has cheated and then "pulled strings" for the NCAA to, not only look the other way, but sacrifice A&M, Baylor, SMU or any of the other teams you named in Texas's place.
I'll wait.
Posted on 5/5/20 at 2:26 pm to michael corleone
This is great info, much appreciated. What a tragedy that was, and while I'm surprised so much talent didn't stick around, it makes sense because Texas talent was raided by those schools in the 90s as well. A certain powerhouse in Houston still never sends kids to A&M for whatever reason. I don't remember Les Miles being all that great in Stillwater, even though he made them respectable again and beat some great OU teams.
Having had its share of bad to mediocre hires after getting in a rut with Slocum who also had to deal with Sherrill's aftermath, old facilities, and an inadequate budget for retaining assistants because the AD didn't care, A&M eventually ended up back in the desert in the 2000s and has taken a long time to becoming a consistently decent program again. LSU, OU, and Texas becoming powers again didn't help either, but people with short memories tend to see A&M as that kind of program which isn't the case. The 2010s were a more accurate reflection of their history, atleast going back to the 70s. So naturally, i'm inclined to correct some folks who like to exaggerate.
Having had its share of bad to mediocre hires after getting in a rut with Slocum who also had to deal with Sherrill's aftermath, old facilities, and an inadequate budget for retaining assistants because the AD didn't care, A&M eventually ended up back in the desert in the 2000s and has taken a long time to becoming a consistently decent program again. LSU, OU, and Texas becoming powers again didn't help either, but people with short memories tend to see A&M as that kind of program which isn't the case. The 2010s were a more accurate reflection of their history, atleast going back to the 70s. So naturally, i'm inclined to correct some folks who like to exaggerate.
Posted on 5/5/20 at 2:34 pm to Mithridates6
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Twas before my time, but LSU's run from 1958-73 was one of the best in the country even if we didn't win many bowl games. Remember we were playing Mississippi (who was a juggernaut at the time) every year.
The 60's were pretty decent for LSU. Comparable to the past 10 years, but minus the NC and not quite as as good.
But weirdly enough you rarely finished higher than 3rd in the conference. Finished tied for 1st once, and 2nd once. Did well in bowl games, and back in that era it was an accomplishment just to make them at all.
This post was edited on 5/5/20 at 2:35 pm
Posted on 5/5/20 at 2:42 pm to tkeefer
The administration would NOT commit to winning. I had someone from the AD office tell me this. They just didn't want to commit to ponying up the cash for a good coach. As long as they produced a profit, they were content with keeping the program on cruise control. Guess there wasn't enough pressure from the Alumni to force their hand until later, dunno.
Posted on 5/5/20 at 2:46 pm to TigerB8
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The administration would NOT commit to winning. I had someone from the AD office tell me this. They just didn't want to commit to ponying up the cash for a good coach. As long as they produced a profit, they were content with keeping the program on cruise control. Guess there wasn't enough pressure from the Alumni to force their hand until later, dunno.
There is a story about that which dealt with Saban and him coming to LSU, but I don't remember it well enough myself to repeat it and don't know where I read it.
But supposedly it changed a good bit with Saban coming.
Posted on 5/5/20 at 2:46 pm to Scoob
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The 90's was due to coaching and recruiting- there's a big list of great Louisiana college players in the 90's. Problem is, they played at Florida State, Nebraska, Miami etc.
LSU fixed that, the program revived, and those other programs tailed off.
Miami in particular had a DL coach that was known for going into NO and pulling basically anyone he wanted to play for all those championships.
Don't know what happened to that guy but I wish him the best.
Posted on 5/5/20 at 2:57 pm to Ohnoitsmymotherinlaw
A&M's probation in '94 was by David Boren. OU barely got a slap on the wrist in '05 compared to A&M. Shocker.
Posted on 5/5/20 at 3:02 pm to cramps
This is true. Forgot about that.
Posted on 5/5/20 at 3:03 pm to 3down10
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There is a story about that which dealt with Saban and him coming to LSU, but I don't remember it well enough myself to repeat it and don't know where I read it.
But supposedly it changed a good bit with Saban coming.
Sounds about right...I was on a visit to the LSU AD in 1998 and Saban comes in year 2000 so timing is there. That was the story i got for the poor state of the program and then the "persona" changed. They agreed to do what ever Saban needed, such as new facilities, etc, and it worked (Saban worked too).
This post was edited on 5/5/20 at 3:10 pm
Posted on 5/5/20 at 3:10 pm to 3down10
Saban inherited a good deal of talent, but the culture was one that accepted mediocrity, he changed that. I do think he could've done better in his first three seasons, but he was also learning the ropes of SEC coaching himself
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