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Should we expect to be a pass first team next year?
Posted on 1/21/20 at 9:37 pm
Posted on 1/21/20 at 9:37 pm
Monken has run a pass heavy offense in the past. Also, we only have 3 RB's who can get a ton of carries.
Will our offense look more like the Murray/Bobo days?
I'm excited to see Zeus this year. They say the 2nd year back from an ACL is always better. It was certainly true for Chubb.
Will our offense look more like the Murray/Bobo days?
I'm excited to see Zeus this year. They say the 2nd year back from an ACL is always better. It was certainly true for Chubb.
Posted on 1/22/20 at 8:03 am to diddlydawg7
If we become a pass heavy offense, how does that affect recruiting for RBs in the future?
Posted on 1/22/20 at 8:12 am to Spaceman Spiff
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how does that affect recruiting for RBs in the future?
Shouldnt.
We still need an elite back.
But we will also supplement for more shiftier backs who can attack in the passing game.
Recruiting should be the same as we do now
Posted on 1/22/20 at 8:59 am to meansonny
I think it will be closer to a 50/50 split, but I also think you could see more productive numbers from our backs because the defense will (hopefully) have to respect the pass and will have to try to play contain on a zone read.
While defenses weren't "stacking the box with 9-10 guys" as some claimed, they often had numbers and the safeties were keying on the run. That makes it difficult on an inside run, even if there is an initial hole to run through.
The entire purpose of the zone read is that the backside DE or OLB is left unblocked but they're supposed to be held there to make sure the QB doesn't pull the ball and keep it; everybody knew Fromm wasn't going to keep it (either by design, or Fromm not feeling comfortable running, or just not really knowing his read) so often they would crash down and make a stop for a short gain, or at least disrupt the play and allow someone else to clean it up. If they try that with Newman, he should be able to turn it into a first down pretty easily. That will also free up our runningback and help even out numbers for our blockers. The QB is able to take a defender out of the play if they have to respect his legs.
While defenses weren't "stacking the box with 9-10 guys" as some claimed, they often had numbers and the safeties were keying on the run. That makes it difficult on an inside run, even if there is an initial hole to run through.
The entire purpose of the zone read is that the backside DE or OLB is left unblocked but they're supposed to be held there to make sure the QB doesn't pull the ball and keep it; everybody knew Fromm wasn't going to keep it (either by design, or Fromm not feeling comfortable running, or just not really knowing his read) so often they would crash down and make a stop for a short gain, or at least disrupt the play and allow someone else to clean it up. If they try that with Newman, he should be able to turn it into a first down pretty easily. That will also free up our runningback and help even out numbers for our blockers. The QB is able to take a defender out of the play if they have to respect his legs.
Posted on 1/22/20 at 9:12 am to diddlydawg7
75% pass
With the option for the QB to audible into a run play.
With the option for the QB to audible into a run play.
Posted on 1/22/20 at 9:15 am to diddlydawg7
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we only have 3 RB's who can get a ton of carries.
3 return, add Milton for 4, 5 if Evans comes
Posted on 1/22/20 at 9:15 am to CalDawg
60/40 with more pass plays attacking all levels of the field, with more runs based off play action. Also, more short passes to set up long passes.
Posted on 1/22/20 at 9:19 am to djsdawg
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we only have 3 RB's who can get a ton of carries.
3 return, add Milton for 4, 5 if Evans comes
Yeah. I'm not sure that point he had.
You only need 2 that can get a ton of carries.
And you want 2 more (change of pace and blowout runner).
Posted on 1/22/20 at 9:22 am to Spaceman Spiff
Richt was pass first and he recruited the best tbs in the land..
Posted on 1/22/20 at 10:03 am to Spaceman Spiff
quote:After doing some advanced stats analysis, I don't think much will change with regards to quality of RB's who want to come here.
If we become a pass heavy offense, how does that affect recruiting for RBs in the future?
UGA has averaged around 66 plays per game the last couple seasons ( 2018 & 2019). With run/pass per game numbers going anywhere from 25-52 runs and 12-52 passes. With an average of 38 runs to 28 passes (57%/43%).
Of those 28 average passes per game, 4 on average have gone to our RB's.
YPC in 2018 was also 5.9, while in 2019 it was 5.0, almost a full ypc less.
Now if we look at Monken's 2015 Southern Miss season: LINK
We can see he averaged 74 plays per game. With games going anywhere from 23-48 runs to 27-58 passes. And a per game average of 36 rushing attempts to 38 passing attempts (49%/51%).
And of those 38 average passing attempts, about 7 per game were to RB's.
YPC was a small school respectable 5.0, too.
So under Monken at Southern Miss, RB's averaged about 43 touches per game, while UGA the past couple seasons RB's have averaged 42 touches per game.
I suspect under Monken, our YPC will go up, too, with defenses being spread out more. Not to mention throwing to RB's more and getting them in space with the ball in their hands will probably increase their AP yards in general.
So no, I don't think we'll take a hit in RB recruiting.
Posted on 1/22/20 at 10:31 am to BeefDawg
Things to consider when looking at Monkin's stats are, he had no where near the talent in his college jobs and comparatively did not have an overall talent advantage in the NFL, he has an elite defense on the other side to shorten games which makes me hope his main mission is scoring efficiency, and though we have a talent advantage, we also play teams that are comparatively similar, just find a way to win those...
An LSU level O would be great, but I am just hoping for a more modern approach at making a defense defend the entire field every single play. We have seen even lessor teams can stunt in ways to slow down the run, let's run them silly with passes, then turn our backs lose on them.
An LSU level O would be great, but I am just hoping for a more modern approach at making a defense defend the entire field every single play. We have seen even lessor teams can stunt in ways to slow down the run, let's run them silly with passes, then turn our backs lose on them.
Posted on 1/22/20 at 11:43 am to djsdawg
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3 return, add Milton for 4, 5 if Evans comes
I said only 3 can get a ton of carries.
Zeus
KMac
Milton
Unless Cook puts on some serious weight, he will never be a guy who can carry the ball more than 10 times a game.
Posted on 1/22/20 at 12:04 pm to diddlydawg7
Cook is big enough to handle a lot of carries, especially in a more spread out offense.
Posted on 1/22/20 at 3:38 pm to djsdawg
Expect a large percentage of Cook's touches will be catches and outside runs. Monken will use him properly.
Posted on 1/22/20 at 4:12 pm to diddlydawg7
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Unless Cook puts on some serious weight, he will never be a guy who can carry the ball more than 10 times a game
Is cooks problem that he is too light?
He honestly doesnt look explosive enough to me. I would rather that he drop weight and get a little more burst.
Posted on 1/22/20 at 4:35 pm to diddlydawg7
In our biggest games of the past 4 years, we have been pass heavy.
Great teams can stop the run. Elite defenses with elite defensive lines can absolutely limit the rushing effectiveness of opponents.
To produce against great defenses, you HAVE to be able to attack through the air, all over the field, with modern, diverse passing concepts.
Hiring Monken and ending the Coley experiment is the first and biggest step that Kirby has taken towards having they type of offense that can win a national title.
I don’t know what the run/pass split will look like, and frankly don’t care.
Great teams can stop the run. Elite defenses with elite defensive lines can absolutely limit the rushing effectiveness of opponents.
To produce against great defenses, you HAVE to be able to attack through the air, all over the field, with modern, diverse passing concepts.
Hiring Monken and ending the Coley experiment is the first and biggest step that Kirby has taken towards having they type of offense that can win a national title.
I don’t know what the run/pass split will look like, and frankly don’t care.
Posted on 1/22/20 at 6:35 pm to meansonny
Cook is a 4.8 forty guy and if you go back and look at some of what was written about his HS days, he just is what he is.
Posted on 1/22/20 at 6:41 pm to lewis and herschel
Coming from sFlorida, I dont know anything about his high school days other than having an older brother.
I hope that he can do all of the things that the beat writers have been saying for 2 years. It just feels like they are talking about someone else at this point. Cook made a move on an LSU DB in the SECCG (turned a throw to the flat into an 11 yard gain by breaking the ankles of a CB). That is 1 time he showed promise of what he could be against someone better than Georgia Tech.
I hear that he has dealt with a lot of injuries that havent been disclosed. But his explosion, burst, quick twitch at the college level appears average against good P5 competition.
I hope that he can do all of the things that the beat writers have been saying for 2 years. It just feels like they are talking about someone else at this point. Cook made a move on an LSU DB in the SECCG (turned a throw to the flat into an 11 yard gain by breaking the ankles of a CB). That is 1 time he showed promise of what he could be against someone better than Georgia Tech.
I hear that he has dealt with a lot of injuries that havent been disclosed. But his explosion, burst, quick twitch at the college level appears average against good P5 competition.
Posted on 1/22/20 at 6:42 pm to lewis and herschel
Wasn't he a 5 star guy?
I've never heard of a 5 star RB running that slow.
I've never heard of a 5 star RB running that slow.
This post was edited on 1/22/20 at 6:43 pm
Posted on 1/22/20 at 6:44 pm to RD Dawg
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Wasn't he a 5 star guy?
High 4 star
Edit to add: 247 composite has him as a top 50 player. 247 ranking has him as a top 100 player. High school stats look very average.
782 yards rushing. 86 yards receiving for the senior year.
This post was edited on 1/22/20 at 6:52 pm
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