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Analysis of the seperate rumors of today from all sites.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 1:23 pm
Posted on 12/4/19 at 1:23 pm
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I'm posting this on behalf of someone I spoke to this morning who is fully aware that I will be posting it. He has read what Porkatarian posted this morning, but also wrote what Lanny posted a day or two ago and doesn't want his home or work IP address associated with this.
Here's the cliff notes version:
Pork is right about three things. First, Kiffin is it. Second, Davis is number 2 and has heavy hitters backing him. Third, Lane and his camp do now have their ears perked up about FSU.
That said, very important details are missing, and he thinks it is intentional that they were left off, as he believes that Pork is connected and would 100% be aware of this. Lane said "I do." Hunter said "I do." A very small but powerful and vocal faction said "We don't" and demanded that HY continue his "due diligence." LK was no longer considering FSU and was sold on Arkansas until this interference. IT WAS A DONE DEAL (his emphasis). Him now waiting to gauge potential interest from FSU is a tit for tat for the athletic department continuing their "due diligence" after he had already said yes to HY.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but there is absolutely a faction stomping their feet trying to get their way and potentially sabotaging the process.
If we do end up with Kiffin, it will be a testament to HY and his big brass balls. If not, it's because there has been zero shift in the power behind Arkansas sports and the same people are still pulling the strings.
If this gets deleted, it'll be a hint about strings being pulled here as well. That's not a joke. Hogville is the pulse of the average Joe fanbase. The PTB absolutely want the people who care enough to post here daily to be behind this hire.
Today a wave of butch davis is the back up guy, and lane is sniffing around the FSU job come to that board from several of their "source" guys.
If this is our fate we should just shut the program down.
Assitarian said things similar to the above, and went as far as to say it will be butch, lashlee, chizik if lane doesnt come.
The powerful arse hats are jerruh, and John.
Jerruh is trying to destroy us like he has the cowboys.
I am about to sniff around 247, and see if I can find similar stories. Check out FAU board, 247 FSU, and where ever the hell butch is at.
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Letting you guys know what I'm hearing. Wouldn't say any of this is 100 but wouldn't post it if I didn't feel it could have merit. When I'm for sure I'll post I'm for sure, as I've said.
Guy tells me he saw the report from the Ole Miss guys saying Kiffin prefers Ole Miss to Arkansas, and he believes that to be factual. Doesn't mean for sure it is true, especially since neither of those sources come from Kiffin's side of things (unless the Ole Miss guys got it from that side). Could also be posturing. Could be that Ole Miss is more interested than Arkansas is.
Also, have been told from another unverified who claims to be very close to the board that at least one BOT member is strongly against Kiffin.
I still have one guy who for some time told me he doesn't think Kiffin is a top candidate but also admits he may not have as accurate information as he has had in the past. Has been a very strong source of mine in the past.
Biddy comes across as a guy with sources closer to the nega lane faction, than the pro kiffin faction.
What these 2 things together tell me is there is a real split in the powers, and HY needs tune these people out. His job is on the line for this hire. Not theirs.
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For background, please see my previous posts.
My guys here in DC tell me that Campbell was offered and turned it down flat. No amount of money would sway him. But they also tell me that HY is one of the most methodical, close to the vest AD's in the country. HY will not be pushed or bullied into making a rash decision, which is why he and Jimmy Sexton really do not get along. Kiffin has interviewed and Sexton tried to play his normal games with HY, with HY being told that if we want Kiffin we need to pull the trigger as FSU has been showing interest, but HY didn't play Jimmy's game and told him bluntly that if he wants to be at FSU, then he need to do what he needs to do. HY refuses to be a pawn for Jimmy Sexton and I love that. He is going down HIS list and interviewing everyone and we will have a coach after Saturday. It could be a conference championship deal, but I'm told that is not a factor and HY wants to hire someone who wants to be a Razorback and not just a paycheck. TIFWIW
With this quote along with the others it seems LK agreed with us, and didn't think he was in the running for FSU.
Now he has options, and with ole miss sniffing around where their insiders say LK likes them over us (the post freaked of OM homerism btw. This is from 247. Though OM is after norvell. Lk is a deep back up option. They are much more into norvell, and really like napier)
It feels like to me us and kiffin were agreed upon. With the financial info that has passed around with us offering him 10 mil for his staff, and him that talks were substantial.
Now Sexton is playing his games, and it is really in kiffin's court.
I would assume that 10 mil figure for him+staff is more than OM is willing to give, and maybe even FSU. They are a blue blood without some of the huge donors we have.
Still feel like we get kiffin in the end.
This post was edited on 12/4/19 at 1:44 pm
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Posted on 12/4/19 at 1:33 pm to russellvillehog
Do we really believe FSU was interested in Kiffin but he initially had no interest in FSU? Not I.
The only thing we have over FSU is being in the SEC, and Kiffin voluntarily left an HC gig in the SEC to go to USC.
If FSU wants Kiff, that's likely where he will end up, unless we are willing to outbid them bigly
The only thing we have over FSU is being in the SEC, and Kiffin voluntarily left an HC gig in the SEC to go to USC.
If FSU wants Kiff, that's likely where he will end up, unless we are willing to outbid them bigly
Posted on 12/4/19 at 1:34 pm to russellvillehog
Don’t buy any of this. HY is not making any sort of verbal offer without the support he needs, unless our program is a complete and total clown show.
A more believable story is that we were in serious talks with LK and then FSU called after their tier 1 candidates rejected them. Now FSU may be down to something like LK or Norvell and once FSU decides the dominoes will then fall. Basically my guess is we are Lane’s current backup option and that probably aggravated some of the PTB who then wanted to get out ahead of losing LK by saying they never wanted him.
A more believable story is that we were in serious talks with LK and then FSU called after their tier 1 candidates rejected them. Now FSU may be down to something like LK or Norvell and once FSU decides the dominoes will then fall. Basically my guess is we are Lane’s current backup option and that probably aggravated some of the PTB who then wanted to get out ahead of losing LK by saying they never wanted him.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 1:41 pm to russellvillehog
I have little doubt that all of this of probably very true. And if it is, I agree, Shut the fricker down.
Jerrry should have basically been boxed out on the search after the Chad bullshite... He got his way once and we saw what happened and he shouldn't get it again.
I would be more scared of Ole Miss though than FL. State.
I feel FSU will get Norvell and that will knock Ole Miss off its #1, then they will have to decide between Kiff and someone like Napier.
If the deal didn't get done officially, then I feel like we have him and Sexton too much time to mull it over.
I have a very bad feeling about all of this. But honstestly, if HY had the BoT vote, then he should have acted then. If jerry was mad, then so be it, he will come around when we start winning again.
If these GOBN idiots stomped a fit and HY didn't have the votes and they made him go through 2 extra days of bullshite flying around the country for no reason, then I will blame them for all of this. The fanbase wants and need a kiffin, but I think the more time passes the worse it gets.
Jerrry should have basically been boxed out on the search after the Chad bullshite... He got his way once and we saw what happened and he shouldn't get it again.
I would be more scared of Ole Miss though than FL. State.
I feel FSU will get Norvell and that will knock Ole Miss off its #1, then they will have to decide between Kiff and someone like Napier.
If the deal didn't get done officially, then I feel like we have him and Sexton too much time to mull it over.
I have a very bad feeling about all of this. But honstestly, if HY had the BoT vote, then he should have acted then. If jerry was mad, then so be it, he will come around when we start winning again.
If these GOBN idiots stomped a fit and HY didn't have the votes and they made him go through 2 extra days of bullshite flying around the country for no reason, then I will blame them for all of this. The fanbase wants and need a kiffin, but I think the more time passes the worse it gets.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 1:43 pm to Jon Ham
There may be a small faction (Tyson camp) that wants Davis, but there is no way in fricking hell that HY will offer the job to Butch. He is not no. 2 no matter what Pork (Wally) and this other guy says. It's just common sense if you look at it from HY's perspective. HY will want someone who has no personal ties to any booster.
This post was edited on 12/4/19 at 1:45 pm
Posted on 12/4/19 at 1:47 pm to Pygthagorean Theorem
Exactly. If we hire the wrong guy this time, HY knows his arse is probably on the line. He's not going to frick around with guys like Butch Davis. And if he does, he's just sealing his own fate.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 1:48 pm to Pygthagorean Theorem
Updated OP with the HY telling Sexton to frick off.
All of these together paint a picture of what is probably happening if you read between the lines.
The butch stuff is just powerful people leaking BS to wally to try and drum up support for their guy (butch)
But there is def push back on kiffin, but he is definitely HY #1.
HY has done is due diligence to appease these old fools. The ball is in LK's corner. I expect him to not get the FSU job, and Norvell will get it. Lane will come to arkansas over OM due to the budget difference.
All of these together paint a picture of what is probably happening if you read between the lines.
The butch stuff is just powerful people leaking BS to wally to try and drum up support for their guy (butch)
But there is def push back on kiffin, but he is definitely HY #1.
HY has done is due diligence to appease these old fools. The ball is in LK's corner. I expect him to not get the FSU job, and Norvell will get it. Lane will come to arkansas over OM due to the budget difference.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 1:49 pm to Pygthagorean Theorem
It should be Kiffin or leach. Both are attainable and both would work. Everyone else is either unattainable pipe dreams (Campbell, rhule) or they are much lower and have much more offs than Kiff or leach. Also please do not mention stoops or Meyer. Anyone who suggests these options have no idea how the world of sports work and I would start to think less of them because of this if they truly believe that. Same with those who want any of the other coaches who would’ve been available when we fired Danny ford. (Butch Davis, Mac brown, les miles etc.)
Posted on 12/4/19 at 1:52 pm to Jon Ham
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Basically my guess is we are Lane’s current backup option and that probably aggravated some of the PTB who then wanted to get out ahead of losing LK by saying they never wanted him.
Could be but I think it's the opposite. I tend to believe the PTB haven't signed off on LK because of a few idiots.
These "source" guys are wrong more often than not, and by a wide margin. If Porkyteryin wrote me a check I wouldn't take it to the bank.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 1:57 pm to russellvillehog
I just want to add this is the best board there is. Uncensored. Small tight knit group of (mostly smart fans. We are the definetly the most football knowledgeable group as we are on an SEC board, and have a broad sense of the conference as a whole compared to the homercenrtric fans of HV/247)
We have our own "source guys" who are able to speak freely here.
Since our board is small, and not many eyes come here we are able to say things most would never say anywhere else. We are the dark web of Arkansas football.
Well except that prj has an account here, and watches us lol.
Has he tried to get access to this board?
We have our own "source guys" who are able to speak freely here.
Since our board is small, and not many eyes come here we are able to say things most would never say anywhere else. We are the dark web of Arkansas football.
Well except that prj has an account here, and watches us lol.
Has he tried to get access to this board?
Posted on 12/4/19 at 1:58 pm to Pygthagorean Theorem
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There may be a small faction (Tyson camp) that wants Davis, but there is no way in fricking hell that HY will offer the job to Butch.
Problem is some of these SOB's are so petty and egotistical they have the mindset of "well if you aren't hiring my guy, I'll make damn sure your guy doesn't get approved.".
Happened before.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 2:01 pm to Jon Ham
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Don’t buy any of this. HY is not making any sort of verbal offer without the support he needs, unless our program is a complete and total clown show.
A more believable story is that we were in serious talks with LK and then FSU called after their tier 1 candidates rejected them. Now FSU may be down to something like LK or Norvell and once FSU decides the dominoes will then fall. Basically my guess is we are Lane’s current backup option and that probably aggravated some of the PTB who then wanted to get out ahead of losing LK by saying they never wanted him.
I don't really know what to believe at this point. I suppose the truth is probably somewhere in the middle, in that we were/are Kiffin's backup option if FSU doesn't materialize and our GOBN threw a shitfit about it and had HY interview other coaches.
What I do know, however, is that our GOBN doesn't know jack shite about football, and they have mucked up everything they've ever touched over the last two decades. They loved Nutt, hated Petrino, staged a coup against Long to get Gus and ended up getting pantsed by Sexton and Malzahn, they chose Morris over Norvell, and now they're using Wally Hall as a sock puppet to lay that blame at the feet of Julie Cromer Peoples and act like they've never heard of Chad Morris.
At this point, our big money donors need to pull a George Costanza and just do the opposite of what their intuition is telling them to do, because they're quite literally always wrong about everything.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 2:02 pm to russellvillehog
This feels more like a "woe is us" type of post more than anything else
Posted on 12/4/19 at 2:05 pm to Feral
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I don't really know what to believe at this point. I suppose the truth is probably somewhere in the middle, in that we were/are Kiffin's backup option if FSU doesn't materialize and our GOBN threw a shitfit about it and had HY interview other coaches.
What I do know, however, is that our GOBN doesn't know jack shite about football, and they have mucked up everything they've ever touched over the last two decades. They loved Nutt, hated Petrino, staged a coup against Long to get Gus and ended up getting pantsed by Sexton and Malzahn, they chose Morris over Norvell, and now they're using Wally Hall as a sock puppet to lay that blame at the feet of Julie Cromer Peoples and act like they've never heard of Chad Morris.
At this point, our big money donors need to pull a George Costanza and just do the opposite of what their intuition is telling them to do, because they're quite literally always wrong about everything.
All of this.
This post was edited on 12/4/19 at 2:07 pm
Posted on 12/4/19 at 2:05 pm to GoldenSombrero
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Problem is some of these SOB's are so petty and egotistical they have the mindset of "well if you aren't hiring my guy, I'll make damn sure your guy doesn't get approved.".
Happened before.
This is without a doubt the biggest hurdle in razorback football.
It isnt our recruiting footprint. It isn't our low pop.
These are the major issues most say are the reason we have a hard time consistently competing. This is false. OU has the exact same issue, and has another school in state. They just didn't botch every hire ever like we have. If arkansas takes Switzer, jimmy Johnson, tubberville, and bear Bryant instead of passing over all of them for some other moron because of our retarded politics OU wouldnt be the power they are, and arkansas would be. That is truly the difference. They hired the guys we should have, and we passed them over.
Now we don't have the history that we should, and we should be in their shoes, but we passed over the best coaches for a rich person's buddy everytime.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 2:26 pm to russellvillehog
Sheffield Nelson is about to have his stuff pushed in by the crazy bunch as somebody has started the rumor that he is the one causing all the stir and is using Wally as his mouthpiece.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 2:28 pm to russellvillehog
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They just didn't botch every hire ever like we have. If arkansas takes Switzer, jimmy Johnson, tubberville, and bear Bryant instead of passing over all of them for some other moron because of our retarded politics OU wouldnt be the power they are, and arkansas would be. That is truly the difference. They hired the guys we should have, and we passed them over.
Agreed. I've made the argument many times, powerhouse programs are only that way because of great coaches. Chad Morris at Bama ain't winning more than 6 games.
On a side note, the past several years have sucked. I'm kinda tired of hearing about '64. Maybe I'm just bitter but I'm starting to get visions of them popping bottles (like the '72 Dolphins) every year after our first loss.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 2:48 pm to GoldenSombrero
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On a side note, the past several years have sucked. I'm kinda tired of hearing about '64. Maybe I'm just bitter but I'm starting to get visions of them popping bottles (like the '72 Dolphins) every year after our first loss.
Omfg... I've never considered this, but by God it makes more sense that they would intentionally sabotage us to keep themselves in legendary status over being the most inept bunch of power people ever.
But jerruh does just suck at hiring coaches. He prefers to be the smartest guy in the room (huge ego) than having the best guy possible.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 2:49 pm to GoldenSombrero
People on tardville don't know shite. So why bring that nonsense over here? Seriously? Lanny doesnt know his arse from his face. Few others do either. And fagatarian just posts a bunch of vague bullshite. Its like reading your horoscope. Vague bullshite.
Unreal that anyone is stupid enough to believe anything said over there. Insulting that you would bring it here.
This coach is a smokescreen blah blah blah. No fricking such thing. A coach either takes the job or doesn't. According to my source. Blah blah. Not one of those people have a source. Maybe Irwin. But honestly I don't think he knows a damned thing either. And anything he posts is regulated by his loyalty to the University. So even he's a waste of time.
Take that shite over there.
Unreal that anyone is stupid enough to believe anything said over there. Insulting that you would bring it here.
This coach is a smokescreen blah blah blah. No fricking such thing. A coach either takes the job or doesn't. According to my source. Blah blah. Not one of those people have a source. Maybe Irwin. But honestly I don't think he knows a damned thing either. And anything he posts is regulated by his loyalty to the University. So even he's a waste of time.
Take that shite over there.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 2:58 pm to SpauldingHog
Go be a pedo somewhere else. I literally have more shite from 247 than hogville in that post you fricking dahmer clone. I literally just put all of the rumor mongering in 1 thread, and labeled it as rumors. Which means it could be completely false (WHICH MOST HERE KNOW THE BUTCH shite IS FALSE! IT IS INTENTIONALLY LEAKED BS TO PLACATE SOMEONE!) the theme of the thread was to show how we definetly have some players who are against Kiffin, and that kiffin is listening to others, but will still probably end up here.
YOUR ABILITY TO USE READING COMPREHENSION TO LOOK AT THE BROADER PURPOSE OF THIS THREAD IS ABYSMAL! THIS WASN'T ABOUT HOGVILLE IT WAS ABOUT WHAT IS BEING MURMERED EVERYWHERE! ALL OF THOSE TOGETHER PAINT A VERY CLEAR PICTURE THAT LK IS OUR GUY, BUT WE ARE KEEPING OPTIONS AVAILABLE, JUST LIKE HE IS!
YOUR ABILITY TO USE READING COMPREHENSION TO LOOK AT THE BROADER PURPOSE OF THIS THREAD IS ABYSMAL! THIS WASN'T ABOUT HOGVILLE IT WAS ABOUT WHAT IS BEING MURMERED EVERYWHERE! ALL OF THOSE TOGETHER PAINT A VERY CLEAR PICTURE THAT LK IS OUR GUY, BUT WE ARE KEEPING OPTIONS AVAILABLE, JUST LIKE HE IS!
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