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Posted on 11/5/19 at 1:35 pm to jangalang
Posted on 11/5/19 at 1:35 pm to jangalang
It’s college football. You lose players every year. Only legendary coaches have really gotten to a point where they are following great seasons with great seasons consistently.
They are still great achievements and it’s weird to not like Gus because of how he followed his (multiple) great seasons.
They are still great achievements and it’s weird to not like Gus because of how he followed his (multiple) great seasons.
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Posted on 11/5/19 at 1:36 pm to jangalang
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Not going to lie this thread has been fun.
I agree. It may not seem like it, but I pretty much get everyones point in this thread. We are never all going to agree on whats best or what will happen but its fun to discuss both sides.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 1:36 pm to Aubie Spr96
We have played in 3 SEC championship games (winning 2) and 2 national championships (winning 1 should be 2 
) in the last 10 seasons. Not many teams can claim that type of success. I think some of us are just unrealistic about expectations versus reality. Do I want to win it every year? Of course but so does everyone else. We play in the toughest division in the toughest conference in the nation with a top 5 schedule every year. A Mystery replacement coach would be hard pressed to duplicate our last decade against our schedule. Gus isn't perfect and he drives me crazy a lot too but who would fare better? I'll hang up and listen.
) in the last 10 seasons. Not many teams can claim that type of success. I think some of us are just unrealistic about expectations versus reality. Do I want to win it every year? Of course but so does everyone else. We play in the toughest division in the toughest conference in the nation with a top 5 schedule every year. A Mystery replacement coach would be hard pressed to duplicate our last decade against our schedule. Gus isn't perfect and he drives me crazy a lot too but who would fare better? I'll hang up and listen.This post was edited on 11/5/19 at 4:08 pm
Posted on 11/5/19 at 1:40 pm to LanierSpots
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Not going to lie this thread has been fun.
Solid thread. I hate when you people make me defend Gus though, because on the GreyGoose - Lanier spectrum I'm probably riding the fence. I just think the anti-Gus side tends to expose itself a little more so I always end up defending Gus in these threads
Posted on 11/5/19 at 1:42 pm to LanierSpots
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I won't bother debating it but I will disagree with you on all of this. You can not have it both ways. You can not shite on a head coach years when the defense is bad then turn around and not give credit when it improves...
I wasn’t shitting on him, I think we agree more than youre realizing. I was pointing out how he had high-powered offenses early in his career with crappy defenses. And now a high powered defense with an offense that struggles at time. Imagine 2013 and 2014 Nick Marshall’s offense with the 2017-2019 defenses, we would destroy anyone with that combo.
My guess is Gus is trying to duplicate the 2017 team, but it’s not happening, and it will be his biggest mistake. That was statistically his most complete team, Top 5 defense and offense, but the offensive line is the big difference between now and then. What he needed to do was to go back to a true running QB, Nicks legs opened easy pass routes for him.
As far as the Muschamp and Steele hires, the university had pull there, made Boom the highest paid DC, and getting Steele in the twilight of his career to take advantage of the state retirement system. They both were excellent hires, especially for a Gus offense that is best when moving fast, but Gus has gotten away from what he did best.
State pension made Auburn attractive to Steele
This post was edited on 11/5/19 at 1:43 pm
Posted on 11/5/19 at 1:44 pm to auburnnyc94
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I hate when you people make me defend Gus though, because on the GreyGoose - Lanier spectrum
You are probably closer to Lanier's beliefs than you think
Posted on 11/5/19 at 1:47 pm to auburnnyc94
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and it’s weird to not like Gus because of how he followed his (multiple) great seasons.
Sustained performance is always more preferable than flash in the pan seasons.
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Only legendary coaches have really gotten to a point where they are following great seasons with great seasons consistently.
Can we not start having back to back ten win seasons? Spurrier did that at pitiful USCE. Ed O is about to have back to back 10 win seasons. Why do we have to go from 10 and 11 win seasons to 8 win seasons? We are well into Gus’s tenure to still have to rebuild.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 1:47 pm to LanierSpots
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You are probably closer to Lanier's beliefs than you think
I agree.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 1:48 pm to Rhino5
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Imagine 2013 and 2014 Nick Marshall’s offense with the 2017-2019 defenses, we would destroy anyone with that combo.
That appears to be hard for the majority of programs. LSU had defense for so many years but the offense was terrible. Look at them and Bama this year. Offenses got great, defenses declined. Oklahoma for so many years.
Only a few programs can recruit at a high enough level to have both. Its a very very small percentage of teams that accomplish both
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I wasn’t shitting on him
No you weren't. But the fans in general were when our offense was great and our defense sucked. It was his responsibility to get a defense.
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What he needed to do was to go back to a true running QB,
Yes. It will help hide some of his deficiencies in QB development and play calling and allow him to call the style of offense he is good at
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getting Steele in the twilight of his career to take advantage of the state retirement system.
I dont believe anyone, anywhere thought Steele would build the defense he has here. It was a stroke of luck or a gift from the gods.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 1:55 pm to jangalang
I basically am in the camp of -- Malzahn has done some good things. He has proven to at least be a solid coach. As long as he is our coach we are going to have a chance to be really really good every 2-3 years. No off the field trouble, runs a clean program, etc. But like everybody else I'm sick and tired of getting our asses handed to us by our rivals 8 times out of 10. The offense is difficult to watch. I don't think Gus has a clue what he wants to do at QB going forward.
The short of it, Gus deserves some recognition for what he's done and I think still deserves to be our coach as it stands today.
But margin is getting thin and if we go 0 for LSU, UGA, Bama this year I'm not necessarily in the "fire Gus" camp but I won't be defending him any longer.
The short of it, Gus deserves some recognition for what he's done and I think still deserves to be our coach as it stands today.
But margin is getting thin and if we go 0 for LSU, UGA, Bama this year I'm not necessarily in the "fire Gus" camp but I won't be defending him any longer.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 1:57 pm to jangalang
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Sustained performance is always more preferable than flash in the pan seasons.
Of course it's preferable, but asking for it might be more likely to get you sustained 6-6 seasons than sustained 10 win seasons.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 2:08 pm to Aubie Spr96
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Not sure why they just don't become Bama fans and be done with it.....
Bama fans kept on until the Dubose, Frenchy, and Shula eras were over and demanded better. Bama sucked for most of my life. Kudos to their fans for demanding better, like what we Auburn fans are trying to do.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 2:14 pm to jvilletiger25
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Bama fans kept on until the Dubose, Frenchy, and Shula eras were over and demanded better. Bama sucked for most of my life. Kudos to their fans for demanding better, like what we Auburn fans are trying to do.
Yep. Large portion of Auburn fans are fine with mediocrity most years if it means they can have a really good season every 3-4 years. They think that is all Auburn is capable of. They won't admit to the fact that they are perfectly okay with only having a mediocre program, but it's the truth.
Yet, somehow, it is irrational to think that we can and should be doing more with the amount of resources and money we pour into the program.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 2:17 pm to jangalang
quote:To be fair, that's not just a Gustav thing.
Can we not start having back to back ten win seasons?
We have been playing a minimum of 11 regular season games every year since 1973. In those 46 years we've won 10+ games in consecutive years exactly once. To put that in perspective, UGa has accomplished that feat 9 times over that same stretch, and LSU has done it 5 times (although never before Les Miles became their HC).
Posted on 11/5/19 at 2:19 pm to FearlessFreep
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We have been playing a minimum of 11 regular season games every year since 1973. In those 46 years we've won 10+ games in consecutive years exactly once. To put that in perspective, UGa has accomplished that feat 9 times over that same stretch, and LSU has done it 5 times (although never before Les Miles became their HC).
I don't think he was meaning that as a purely Gus thing, more of an indictment of Auburn's mentality in general.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 2:24 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
Plenty of Auburn people want more, especially the people spending the money, but are you guys so naive to think you can just will it into existence? Everybody is trying to win at a high level, including programs with more resources than Auburn.
Alabama didn’t get better because the fans demanded it, they got better because Mal Moore fell arse backwards into Nick Saban at the 11th hour and their boosters fell in line. If things went to plan they would have had freaking RichRod.
Clemson didn’t get better because the fans demanded it, Dabo turning out to be an excellent coach was more improbable than Alabama getting Saban.
UGA maybe, but Kirby looks like Richt 2 at the moment, we will see if the recruiting falls off a bit if they championships just don’t happen. Regardless hiring a legacy who has the recruiting chops to lock down your talent rich state is not exactly a blueprint we can just copy
Alabama didn’t get better because the fans demanded it, they got better because Mal Moore fell arse backwards into Nick Saban at the 11th hour and their boosters fell in line. If things went to plan they would have had freaking RichRod.
Clemson didn’t get better because the fans demanded it, Dabo turning out to be an excellent coach was more improbable than Alabama getting Saban.
UGA maybe, but Kirby looks like Richt 2 at the moment, we will see if the recruiting falls off a bit if they championships just don’t happen. Regardless hiring a legacy who has the recruiting chops to lock down your talent rich state is not exactly a blueprint we can just copy
Posted on 11/5/19 at 2:24 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
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Bama fans kept on until the Dubose, Frenchy, and Shula eras were over and demanded better.
LMAO. Dubose was fired after losing to UCF at home in a season where they went 3-8 despite a #3 preseason ranking.
If Gus does that, let's fire him.
Frenchy was offered a 10 year contract extension after a 10-3 season but he left them.
Shula was fired after a 6-6 season + 4 years of .500 ball overall.
If Gus does that, let's fire him.
Bama didn't demand better than what Gus is doing. They'd have offered him a 20 year contract extension for what he's done here.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 2:30 pm to auburnnyc94
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Dubose was fired after losing to UCF
If Gus does that, let's fire him.
Check
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Shula was fired after a 6-6 season
If Gus does that, let's fire him.
Already has. And the year prior, Shula won 10 games.
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Bama didn't demand better than what Gus is doing. They'd have offered him a 20 year contract extension for what he's done here.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 2:31 pm to Cocotheape
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but are you guys so naive to think you can just will it into existence?
Has anyone here said this is the case? I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.
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Alabama didn’t get better because the fans demanded it, they got better because Mal Moore fell arse backwards into Nick Saban at the 11th hour and their boosters fell in line. If things went to plan they would have had freaking RichRod.
This grossly glosses over the fact that the fans basically forced the hand of Alabama to finally go outside the good ol' boy network when hiring that coach. Would things have turned out differently if they went with Rich Rod, sure, but guess what would have happened then, they would have moved on to try and bring in someone better. That is the point.
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Clemson didn’t get better because the fans demanded it, Dabo turning out to be an excellent coach was more improbable than Alabama getting Saban.
Maybe you're right, maybe it isn't setting a standard of expectations as to what you want as a program. Maybe you really do just luck into it.
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UGA maybe, but Kirby looks like Richt 2 at the moment, we will see if the recruiting falls off a bit if they championships just don’t happen. Regardless hiring a legacy who has the recruiting chops to lock down your talent rich state is not exactly a blueprint we can just copy
Already has as many back to back 10 win seasons as Auburn does in it's history of playing 11 game seasons.
This post was edited on 11/5/19 at 2:33 pm
Posted on 11/5/19 at 2:38 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
As far as coaching hires go, yeah I think it’s more of a crapshoot than you want to acknowledge.
Alabama went outside the good ol boy system with Franchione & Price as well, Shula was just a stop gap. They would have been happy winning 8-10 a year for a while after 2003–2006.
Clemson absolutely lucked into Dabo not sucking. It’s not like they had some super professional hiring process that identified the guy. They supported him when he started winning, but that would happen anywhere
Texas, UT and UF all have those high standards too. They’ve churned through coaches and gotten worse results than us, guess they should have just had fans with an even higher standard?
Alabama went outside the good ol boy system with Franchione & Price as well, Shula was just a stop gap. They would have been happy winning 8-10 a year for a while after 2003–2006.
Clemson absolutely lucked into Dabo not sucking. It’s not like they had some super professional hiring process that identified the guy. They supported him when he started winning, but that would happen anywhere
Texas, UT and UF all have those high standards too. They’ve churned through coaches and gotten worse results than us, guess they should have just had fans with an even higher standard?
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