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re: What happens when these laws to allow players to get paid collides with Title IX?
Posted on 10/1/19 at 10:19 am to Darth_Vader
Posted on 10/1/19 at 10:19 am to Darth_Vader
The school will easily win that case. If they aren't paying the male athletes extra, then they won't have to pay the female athletes extra.
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Posted on 10/1/19 at 10:19 am to Pickle_Weasel
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Scholarship+ all the other stuff will be counted as compensation and gets schools of the hook for paying for likeness. End of story open and shut.
Source in the laws that state this?
And keep in mind these are state laws. California is the first one signed into law and goes into effect in three years. But many other states are also seeing efforts to pass similar laws. That in and of itself will be another problem in that one state may say the college doesn’t have to pay while another state says they do.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 10:20 am to Darth_Vader
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That in and of itself will be another problem in that one state may say the college doesn’t have to pay while another state says they do.
I'm pretty sure none of these bills say that colleges have to pay
Posted on 10/1/19 at 10:21 am to GatorBait24
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This is for specifically 3rd party’s, schools will not have to pay for there players likeness.
You think the players will give it to them for free? If so, why would they?
Posted on 10/1/19 at 10:22 am to Darth_Vader
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Again with the insults. Pathetic.
Well go ahead and figure out you're wrong. I came up with this in about 5 mins, and I'm not even a lawyer...
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The Student athlete in exchange for financial aid described above, hereby grants to the University the right, in perpetuity and throughout the universe, to use Student's name, likeness, activities, attributes and/or biography in connection with the production, exhibition, advertising, distribution and other exploitation of the products manufactured, distributed, licensed or sold by the University (the “Products”) (including, without limitation, articles, promotional materials, television appearances and commercials, programming and interviews) and all subsidiary and ancillary rights therein, in perpetuity, throughout the world and in any and all media, whether now known or hereafter devised, including, without limitation, publications, merchandising and commercial tie-in.
If you sign such an agreement, you can't sue the school for using you likeness (you trade that right for a scholarship and financial aid.) If you don't like the agreement, then find somewhere else to go to school.
This post was edited on 10/1/19 at 10:23 am
Posted on 10/1/19 at 10:23 am to meansonny
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ctually. Every college student can't profit from their likeness and compete in amateur athletics. There is professional athletics. Like going to play baseball out of high school. And amateur athletics. Like going to play baseball at a college out of high school. They are different for a reason. In professional sports baseball, you can be any age and ability. You can make money on your likeness. In amateur baseball, there are lots of restrictions on eligibility. The quality of play is relative to the players who meet that eligibility. That isnt the same in professional sports.
I’m not talking about sports I’m talking about the reason the way sports does it should be changed.
This post was edited on 10/1/19 at 10:23 am
Posted on 10/1/19 at 10:23 am to GatorBait24
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No just because Auburn is signed with UA, doesn’t mean Bo can’t. UA is its own entity and Auburn has no jurisdiction over who they sign, therefore senior soccer player has nothing to sue Auburn for. It’s not Auburn sponsor deal. It’s Bo’s as an individual.
If Auburn has a contract with UA and UA is paying more to male athletes than female athletes, female athletes will Sue Auburn for violating Title IX by supporting gender discrimination via their contract with UA.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 10:23 am to GatorBait24
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No just because Auburn is signed with UA, doesn’t mean Bo can’t. UA is its own entity and Auburn has no jurisdiction over who they sign, therefore senior soccer player has nothing to sue Auburn for. It’s not Auburn sponsor deal. It’s Bo’s as an individual.
Ok, so what is to stop Cindy the volleyball player from suing UA because she did not get a contract?
Think a second before you reply. We are operating within the boundaries, of college amateur athletics. Not professional athletics. The entire point of Title IX was pushed a civil rights, "anti-discrimination" law.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 10:23 am to Quicksilver
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The law would also allow the women’s field hockey team to profit off their likeness. A private contract with a company using likeness wouldn’t be a Title IX issue because the school isn’t the one paying them:
I keep seeing this but absolutely no one is thinking just one step further to when the schools are inevitably sued by a player(s) for using their likeness. When this happens the whole Title IX can of worms will be opened.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 10:24 am to Lonnie Utah
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If you sign such an agreement, you can't sue the school for using you likeness (you trade that right for a scholarship and financial aid.) If you don't like the agreement, then find somewhere else to go to school
So it’ll become a negotiation point with each player and they’ll go to schools that don’t make them sign such agreements
Posted on 10/1/19 at 10:24 am to OlGrandad
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ffensive lineman: Gift card from Golden Corral Pretty boy QB : 100 grand from Nike This should work out well.
Mail cart guy $12 an hour
Top salesman $3 million a year. This should work out well.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 10:25 am to Darth_Vader
In a true free market, they will get much, much less than men. I'm sure the NCAA will figure a way to make it "fair".
Posted on 10/1/19 at 10:25 am to nes2010
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And many in the media will go along with the ridiculousness the way they went along with the women's soccer team bs
These are two completely different things. The USWNT's argument is that a non-profit organization has different pay scales for the two sexes that are doing the same job.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 10:26 am to Pickle_Weasel
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How would a player get paid for their likeness if they do not own it, as you stated. The law would mean the school no longer owns the likeness.
The player does own it the school essentially is purchasing it, for the scholarship offer. Just like a 3rd party would do for cash or gifts. It’s the players to sell to willing participants. The school would be one.
This post was edited on 10/1/19 at 10:27 am
Posted on 10/1/19 at 10:27 am to gumpinmizzou
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I think if the money was coming from the schools it would be different. But, I'm no expert, so could be wrong.
I don't think the school can even facilitate it.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 10:29 am to Pickle_Weasel
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Source in the laws that state this?
They aren’t written yet goof. I’m telling you how they will solve your question.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 10:29 am to TigerChief10
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I keep seeing this but absolutely no one is thinking just one step further to when the schools are inevitably sued by a player(s) for using their likeness. When this happens the whole Title IX can of worms will be opened.
Anyone who can’t see this will come is either a fool of willfully blind. All it will take is finding the right liberal judge and the schools will be required to pay to use athletes likeness.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 10:30 am to Dawgfanman
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So it’ll become a negotiation point with each player and they’ll go to schools that don’t make them sign such agreements
Possibly. But the school could be hemmed in by title IX.
Of course then schools like UGA and Alabama argue that their scholarships are worth more financially because of the status in the sport and increased exposure they provide on network TV via championship and playoff games.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 10:31 am to GatorBait24
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I’m not talking about sports I’m talking about the reason the way sports does it should be changed.
Then you are changing amateurism.
You may as well remove the 4 year scholarship and let the quarterback play for 15 years at the university.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 10:31 am to DivePlay
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uess what. You may be right...the current "rule" may not have that covered. But they don't have to sue, they can go one better. If enough get together to complain they will have the rule makers change the rules. Why bother getting a lawyer when you can lobby the rules themselves to change.
So we shouldn’t do right by players because a group of people will complain? I’m glad you weren’t making decisions when it came to the civil rights movement. We were right then and this is right now.
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