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re: What happens when these laws to allow players to get paid collides with Title IX?
Posted on 10/1/19 at 10:32 am to pvilleguru
Posted on 10/1/19 at 10:32 am to pvilleguru
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These are two completely different things. The USWNT's argument is that a non-profit organization has different pay scales for the two sexes that are doing the same job.
Incorrect on all counts. It is exactly the same thing. One, they are not the same "job". If that was the case there would be no mens or womens. Just soccer.
Two, the argument the women's soccer team is making will be almost the exact argument any complainant will make in college athletics.
As an aside it has been proven that women are getting a higher percentage of the revenue vs what they are bringing in so once again the entire myth of the so called "gender paygap" is blown away by the harsh reality of the free market.
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Posted on 10/1/19 at 10:32 am to meansonny
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dont think you understand the teeth of title ix.
While possible, maybe you don’t?
Posted on 10/1/19 at 10:34 am to Darth_Vader
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You don’t think the school will have to pay them? Have you never been to a college football game? Schools use their players’ likeness on all sorts of things from game programs to promotional displays. Of course the schools will have to pay them.
No one with two brain cells to rub together believes this. First of all, nothing in the law says anything about the schools paying the players a dime. Second, one would have to be a special kind of stupid to not think that the schools will include whatever necessary wording in the scholarship agreement to give them unlimited authorization.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 10:34 am to Darth_Vader
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My whole point is it’s obvious once this thing gets going female athletes will sue once they see male athletes making more money then they can. And all it will take for them to sue their school is when a male athlete signs an endorsement with a company the school also has a contract with. That will open the door to suing the school under Title IX.
This will not be possible, no lawyer will take the case as it’s an automatic loss. There will be clear language in the law that will cover the schools.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 10:36 am to Dawgfanman
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You think the players will give it to them for free? If so, why would they?
Read the thread, it comes with the scholarship offer.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 10:36 am to GatorBait24
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This post was edited on 10/1/19 at 10:37 am
Posted on 10/1/19 at 10:37 am to Darth_Vader
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What happens when these laws to allow players to get paid?
It will go down the same road as the NFL has over the past 20 years. It will SUCK. We already have the F’ing portal. That is almost free-agency. Now they want to pay them? How about a free education, free housing, and free food? Not enough?
BTW, I’m in my late 50’s, can you tell?
This post was edited on 10/1/19 at 10:38 am
Posted on 10/1/19 at 10:38 am to GatorBait24
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So we shouldn’t do right by players because a group of people will complain? I’m glad you weren’t making decisions when it came to the civil rights movement. We were right then and this is right now.
You debate like a typical progressive child. Immediately to the drama queen, virtue signaling.
Let me guess, you get to define what is "right". Why is it right that a male player in football gets paid more than a female volleyball player? Can't wait to hear your defense, bigot.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 10:38 am to Darth_Vader
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If Auburn has a contract with UA and UA is paying more to male athletes than female athletes, female athletes will Sue Auburn for violating Title IX by supporting gender discrimination via their contract with UA.
You are literally just terrified of change and making things up. What do you not understand about female sports having the same opportunity to profit from there likeness just like everyone else. It’s not the schools fault football is more popular. There would be no case.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 10:41 am to DivePlay
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Ok, so what is to stop Cindy the volleyball player from suing UA because she did not get a contract
The fact that UA would make no money from using her likeness. Why would UA give away free money to a player if it doesn’t make them money? Title 9 is for schools not corporate entities. You can’t just sue UA because they don’t want to sponsor you. You have to be a valuable asset to them.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 10:42 am to Darth_Vader
My biggest issue is not the money but the fact that every blue chip will have an agent now and a team of attorneys representing him before he's out of high school. It's going to be a shite show. You think 5 stars act entitled now, just wait until they're represented by a Johnny Cochoran type of guy.
And recruiting will be determined by how good of a deal the school can setup with Nike or Adidas or UA. And it could be that Nike (for instance) will be paying more overall than the others, thus screwing over non-Nike schools.
The whole point of this law is to make lawyers money. The law is written by lawyers for lawyers.
And recruiting will be determined by how good of a deal the school can setup with Nike or Adidas or UA. And it could be that Nike (for instance) will be paying more overall than the others, thus screwing over non-Nike schools.
The whole point of this law is to make lawyers money. The law is written by lawyers for lawyers.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 10:42 am to TigerChief10
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keep seeing this but absolutely no one is thinking just one step further to when the schools are inevitably sued by a player(s) for using their likeness. When this happens the whole Title IX can of worms will be opened.
You just haven’t read the thread, the solution to this has been shared multiple times. By accepting a scholarship you allow the school to use your likeness. It will be written in the law and everything, super official.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 10:43 am to DivePlay
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One, they are not the same "job".
Yes they are. Same size field, same time length, both are the top level of their sex, and I don't think FIFA allows females to play on the men's team.
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As an aside it has been proven that women are getting a higher percentage of the revenue vs what they are bringing in so once again the entire myth of the so called "gender paygap" is blown away by the harsh reality of the free market.
But that really doesn't have much to do with the law.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 10:46 am to GatorBait24
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You are literally just terrified of change and making things up. What do you not understand about female sports having the same opportunity to profit from there likeness just like everyone else. It’s not the schools fault football is more popular. There would be no case.
You are the most embarrassingly naive person I have encountered in a long time. No one is making things up. We are speaking from decades of supposed unintended consequences we have suffered from fools who believe like you do.
Have you ever had to deal with a diversity officer in HR? You know those people that make sure there are certain quotas filled in all departments in order to not be sued for discrimination. Regardless...regardless of what candidate is more popular so to speak.
You are so shortsighted you can't see this flowing down to college athletics? It will 100% happen.
You don't get to have it both ways. You opened this Pandora's Box of equality for all...sorry kid it is not going to just stop at your sacred college athletics. And why would you want it to. You are not against equality are you?
Posted on 10/1/19 at 10:46 am to AUstar
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My biggest issue is not the money but the fact that every blue chip will have an agent now and a team of attorneys representing him before he's out of high school. It's going to be a shite show. You think 5 stars act entitled now, just wait until they're represented by a Johnny Cochoran type of guy
You don't have to offer him a scholarship.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 10:46 am to DivePlay
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t me guess, you get to define what is "right". Why is it right that a male player in football gets paid more than a female volleyball player? Can't wait to hear your defense, bigot.
Wait for it....
because someone is willing to pay the football player, because it benefits there business. While paying the female volleyball players doesn’t make them money you are worth what someone will pay you. You seem to really be struggling with this. So much so you called me a bigot. Yet I’m the one with a problem?
This post was edited on 10/1/19 at 10:48 am
Posted on 10/1/19 at 10:47 am to Darth_Vader
nothing. Title 9 doesn't apply. I'd tell you to read it but you're an Auburn fan
Posted on 10/1/19 at 10:49 am to Darth_Vader
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Again with the insults. Pathetic.
My whole point is it’s obvious once this thing gets going female athletes will sue once they see male athletes making more money then they can. And all it will take for them to sue their school is when a male athlete signs an endorsement with a company the school also has a contract with. That will open the door to suing the school under Title IX.
You don't like insults, yet you continue to post ludicrous statements about things you clearly know nothing about, and you refuse to listen to those who do.
To begin with, you clearly know practically nothing about Title IX. Do yourself a favor and, instead of continuing to make a fool out of yourself, go back and actually read the damn law. Title IX only speaks to benefits PROVIDED BY THE SCHOOL. The scenario you described has nothing to do with benefits provided by the school.
Second, and again since you don't like insults, I won't comment on your reading comprehension and will instead just say this: go back and read the fricking California law. Just because it says players CAN make money off their likeness doesn't mean schools MUST pay them. All it says is that the schools can't punish them.
Don't like being insulted? Then stop making a fool out of yourself.
This post was edited on 10/1/19 at 10:51 am
Posted on 10/1/19 at 10:54 am to GatorBait24
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You can’t just sue UA because they don’t want to sponsor you. You have to be a valuable asset to them.
Do you want to know how many corporate entities have been sued for not hiring certain assets? Do you want to know how many unions sue to prevent certain no value employees staying on the job.
Free Market/Capitalism always takes a back seat to government regulation. Whether it is Title IX or EEOC it will be used as a sledgehammer by certain groups in the name of fairness and equality.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 10:57 am to DivePlay
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Do you want to know how many unions sue to prevent certain no value employees staying on the job.
Yes, but the unions usually have a contract with the corporation. That wouldn't be the case here.
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