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re: What happens when these laws to allow players to get paid collides with Title IX?
Posted on 10/1/19 at 10:57 am to DivePlay
Posted on 10/1/19 at 10:57 am to DivePlay
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Do you want to know how many corporate entities have been sued for not hiring certain assets? Do you want to know how many unions sue to prevent certain no value employees staying on the job.
Let's just pretend like female athletes will sue Nike, UA, Adidas, etc. Who cares? The courts will then decide if they have to sign x number of athletes for x dollars. What's the issue here?
This post was edited on 10/1/19 at 11:01 am
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Posted on 10/1/19 at 10:58 am to BamaGradinTn
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No one with two brain cells to rub together believes this. First of all, nothing in the law says anything about the schools paying the players a dime. Second, one would have to be a special kind of stupid to not think that the schools will include whatever necessary wording in the scholarship agreement to give them unlimited authorization.
Speaking of lacking brain cells, you’re obviously too stupid to realize this is not going to be one single law that covers the whole country. It’s going to be up to 50 different laws from 50 different states. As it stands now, a lot of states are looking at California as haven given themselves a huge advantage. Other states will look for their own advantage, including saying a player can be compensated by the college for using their likeness.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 10:59 am to DivePlay
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You are the most embarrassingly naive person I have encountered in a long time. No one is making things up. We are speaking from decades of supposed unintended consequences we have suffered from fools who believe like you do. Have you ever had to deal with a diversity officer in HR? You know those people that make sure there are certain quotas filled in all departments in order to not be sued for discrimination. Regardless...regardless of what candidate is more popular so to speak. You are so shortsighted you can't see this flowing down to college athletics? It will 100% happen. You don't get to have it both ways. You opened this Pandora's Box of equality for all...sorry kid it is not going to just stop at your sacred college athletics. And why would you want it to. You are not against equality are you?
I don’t think you understand the law they are trying to implement, nor do I think you even have any idea what you’re arguing about at this point. So I’m gonna just let you have this one. I think you are overthinking this a lot and I’m gonna stop arguing with someone who likes calling me a fool and bigot when they don’t know me just because I have a different opinion then them. So enjoy the rest of your day.
This post was edited on 10/1/19 at 11:00 am
Posted on 10/1/19 at 11:02 am to DivePlay
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o you want to know how many corporate entities have been sued for not hiring certain assets? Do you want to know how many unions sue to prevent certain no value employees staying on the job. Free Market/Capitalism always takes a back seat to government regulation. Whether it is Title IX or EEOC it will be used as a sledgehammer by certain groups in the name of fairness and equality
Sure share some examples with the group.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 11:03 am to BamaGradinTn
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You don't like insults, yet you continue to post ludicrous statements about things you clearly know nothing about, and you refuse to listen to those who do. To begin with, you clearly know practically nothing about Title IX. Do yourself a favor and, instead of continuing to make a fool out of yourself, go back and actually read the damn law. Title IX only speaks to benefits PROVIDED BY THE SCHOOL. The scenario you described has nothing to do with benefits provided by the school. Second, and again since you don't like insults, I won't comment on your reading comprehension and will instead just say this: go back and read the fricking California law. Just because it says players CAN make money off their likeness doesn't mean schools MUST pay them. All it says is that the schools can't punish them. Don't like being insulted? Then stop making a fool out of yourself.
The only people making fools of themselves are those of you who keep squawking about Title IX as if it is one of the ten commandments. It is laughable the mindset of people who treat these kinds of laws like they cannot be arbitrarily changed based on the whims of the current culture.
No one is arguing the current state of your law. What we are arguing is where this policy is headed based on historical precedent.
How in the fvck you cannot see the slippery slope this is going to put amateur athletics on is terrifying but explains a lot of how we got to this point.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 11:13 am to GatorBait24
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Sure share some examples with the group.
It won't matter, you will never accept reality until you deal with it directly. The whole bigot thing was just a joke. I am not actually calling you a bigot.
My guess is you have limited work experience.
Did you know that HR departments are now hiring Diversity Officers. Go check it out. Hell you can go to a job site and see postings for it. Why do you think this position exists? What is the point of it?
I know of multiple companies that are supposedly "women" owned, but are simply taking advantage of the title because of the government benefits.
I know directly of a construction firm who "partnered" with a female "owned" business in order to win a government contract since they get preferred treatment. Guess which business did the actual construction.
All this to say is that for you people saying Title IX somehow cannot be expanded to cover pay by private corporations is unreasonable.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 11:16 am to DivePlay
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All this to say is that for you people saying Title IX somehow cannot be expanded to cover pay by private corporations is unreasonable.
Fair enough
Posted on 10/1/19 at 11:18 am to GatorBait24
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Fair enough
Also, I apologize to the group for the tone.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 11:20 am to Darth_Vader
You have no clue what this law is saying. It allows players to get paid SEPERATELY FROM THE SCHOOL for their likeness. It means EA Sports can pay them, it means they can hold summer camps and charge for their services and training of kids in the sport, it means they can charge for their autograph. This isn’t about making colleges pay each player.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 11:26 am to DivePlay
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Also, I apologize to the group for the tone.
No apologies necessary it’s the rant. I just don’t have the patience for a pissing match today maybe tomorrow.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 11:31 am to Darth_Vader
Players can already get paid legally. They just can't play sports after.
The government can't force the NCAA to make these players eligible.
The government can't force the NCAA to make these players eligible.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 11:32 am to J2thaROC
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You have no clue what this law is saying. It allows players to get paid SEPERATELY FROM THE SCHOOL for their likeness. It means EA Sports can pay them, it means they can hold summer camps and charge for their services and training of kids in the sport, it means they can charge for their autograph. This isn’t about making colleges pay each player.
All these things are already legal.
They will just be declared ineligible by the NCAA and there isn't a damn thing the government can do about it.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 12:18 pm to Darth_Vader
What is to keep boosters, in the form of a business organization, from entering into contracts with athletes who choose to attend a particular school for the rights to use an athlete’s image? They really don’t care about using the image, but it is just a way to pay the player to sign with a particular school. Then there is a resulting bidding war as Alabama car dealers seek to outbid Georgia car dealers in an effort to get recruits to their school. It would quickly become a booster’s bidding war, far worse than now occurs. It wouldn’t just be the Nikes and Under Armours paying, it would be bidding for players whose images have no real commercial value except for boosters using payments to recruit for their schools.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 12:24 pm to J2thaROC
Boosters will happily pay for autographs that will have no commercial value, but it will be a way to pay athletes by boosters. John Booster will happily let word get out that he will pay $50k to any football recruit who signs with Smith State University. He just has to contract to sell an autograph for $50k.
The law will have unintended consequences because ultimately there will be a boosters’ bidding war that has little to do with the actual commercial value of a particular athlete’s image.
The law will have unintended consequences because ultimately there will be a boosters’ bidding war that has little to do with the actual commercial value of a particular athlete’s image.
This post was edited on 10/1/19 at 12:26 pm
Posted on 10/1/19 at 12:28 pm to Darth_Vader
Title IX only applies to government entities not private companies.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 12:30 pm to Fatboy22
The real problem isn’t Title IX, but the law will result in unintended consequences that will decimate college athletics for the benefit of a tiny percentage of athletes.
This post was edited on 10/1/19 at 12:31 pm
Posted on 10/1/19 at 1:00 pm to tigerinridgeland
a succinct summation of capitalism. 
Posted on 10/1/19 at 8:05 pm to Darth_Vader
They'll blame it on "the patriarchy" and "evil white men" like they always do
Posted on 10/1/19 at 8:17 pm to tigerinridgeland
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Boosters will happily pay for autographs that will have no commercial value, but it will be a way to pay athletes by boosters. John Booster will happily let word get out that he will pay $50k to any football recruit who signs with Smith State University. He just has to contract to sell an autograph for $50k.
That’s already going on. At least now that money will be taxed.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 8:17 pm to 3down10
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They will just be declared ineligible by the NCAA and there isn't a damn thing the government can do about it.
Not entirely true. They can rule that it is a form of discrimination (and it is) and force the NCAA to change the rule.
This post was edited on 10/1/19 at 8:19 pm
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