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re: As the Hedges burn - just the beginning, Kirby is freaking out
Posted on 4/24/19 at 2:33 pm to WG_Dawg
Posted on 4/24/19 at 2:33 pm to WG_Dawg
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Under Richt: UGA is letting everyone in-state leave for rival programs! Yall only have the 5th or 6th class in the SEC, even with all that talent at home! Why don't yall recruit better!??
Under Kirby: Yall are recruiting too good! This is illogical! You must be cheating!
It seems to stem from the fallacy that Richt is actually a good recruiter at this point. His Miami tenure and the end of his UGA tenure make a good argument otherwise.
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Posted on 4/24/19 at 2:35 pm to dawgfan24348
Maybe that's because the only other school that recruits at this level(Bama as you mention) has also been cheating and Kirby just so happened to come from Bama.
You honestly think there's nothing shady about a head coach without a single year of head coaching experience just showing up and almost immediately pulling in 5-10 5 stars every year? These guys aren't just from Georgia either.
I guess it must be the dutch boy haircut and long history of winning national
championships.
Again, with all of that being said, good for UGA, you guys are doing what you need to do to build a dynasty knowing the NCAA is a bunch of pussies that will do nothing about it. I wish auburn would do some of that crootin.
You honestly think there's nothing shady about a head coach without a single year of head coaching experience just showing up and almost immediately pulling in 5-10 5 stars every year? These guys aren't just from Georgia either.
I guess it must be the dutch boy haircut and long history of winning national
championships.
Again, with all of that being said, good for UGA, you guys are doing what you need to do to build a dynasty knowing the NCAA is a bunch of pussies that will do nothing about it. I wish auburn would do some of that crootin.
Posted on 4/24/19 at 2:35 pm to Crowknowsbest
That's not wrong though, Richt was a GOOD recruiter. He averaged about a ~10th ranked class in the country which is plenty good. The problem is it was only about 4/5th in the SEC every year and was good on getting a bunch of 4 and high 3* but typically lacked the megastuds you need for titles.
Kirby is a GREAT recruiter though, and people just aren't used to it.
Kirby is a GREAT recruiter though, and people just aren't used to it.
Posted on 4/24/19 at 2:37 pm to WG_Dawg
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He averaged about a ~10th ranked class in the country which is plenty good.
I would argue that that is very average at UGA.
Several of his late stage classes were straight up bad, at UGA and Miami. Not exactly programs without serious natural advantages.
This post was edited on 4/24/19 at 2:39 pm
Posted on 4/24/19 at 2:42 pm to aujerm
If you cant sell Athens to a HS student, you dont deserve to be a coach. They have the best downtown of any SEC school. If it werent for their fans, uga would be the best road trip and it really wouldnt be close. I hate uga as much as anyone, but Athens is a damn fun town for college kids. Their police suck though. They always bring great music through the Theater too.
Posted on 4/24/19 at 2:54 pm to 2nd and 26
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Bowlcut in big trouble.
this isn't going to affect our team at all, aside from other teams making up bogus allegations against us.
Gonna be glorious to see everyone so disappointed when nothing comes from this.
Posted on 4/24/19 at 2:56 pm to aujerm
quote:Auburn recruits from the same pool of talent but has Gus slacked off some lately? He's entering his 7th season and his recruiting classes have sheered off to slightly outside the top 10 the last couple of years.
I wish auburn would do some of that crootin.
24/7
2014 #6
2015 #8
2016 #9
2017 #9
2018 #12
2019 #11
Posted on 4/24/19 at 3:05 pm to Crowknowsbest
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Several of his late stage classes were straight up bad
Kirby inherited the sixth ranked talent composite and lost to Vanderbilt.
Delusion is strong in Athens.
Posted on 4/24/19 at 3:07 pm to RT1941
The difference between 6th and 10th most years is about 10-20 points in total rating... This likely has a fair amount of correlation with Kirby's success... some of the guys that Auburn typically would have pulled from Georgia are staying in-state.
While the concept of "putting a wall around Georgia" is ridiculous, we've definitely made life harder on neighboring states to come in and take guys that we also want.
Ultimately, if Bama/Clemson want to fight for a recruit, they can make a hell of a case, and often times win out (see: Lawrence, Trevor), but Auburn has had a much harder go of it, bouncing down to a lower tier of Georgia athletes or sticking with players in state. On the upside for them, it seems like the volume of quality athletes in Alabama has increased in recent years, so it's not the end of the world... but it's definitely going to take either a big shift in perception or a likely change at the top for Auburn to get back to prior levels of recruiting success.
While the concept of "putting a wall around Georgia" is ridiculous, we've definitely made life harder on neighboring states to come in and take guys that we also want.
Ultimately, if Bama/Clemson want to fight for a recruit, they can make a hell of a case, and often times win out (see: Lawrence, Trevor), but Auburn has had a much harder go of it, bouncing down to a lower tier of Georgia athletes or sticking with players in state. On the upside for them, it seems like the volume of quality athletes in Alabama has increased in recent years, so it's not the end of the world... but it's definitely going to take either a big shift in perception or a likely change at the top for Auburn to get back to prior levels of recruiting success.
Posted on 4/24/19 at 3:09 pm to fibonaccisquared
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but Auburn has had a much harder go of it, bouncing down to a lower tier of Georgia athletes
Posted on 4/24/19 at 3:09 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Kirby inherited the sixth ranked talent composite and lost to Vanderbilt.
Delusion is strong in Athens.
Let's try to stay on topic... back to your supposed evidence...
If you want to move the goalposts to why we lost games in 2016, that's fine... just acknowledge that's what you're doing so everyone can be on the same page.
Posted on 4/24/19 at 3:14 pm to Serraneaux
I love this series though:
"I can't talk about why we fired them."
"Was it because they broke NCAA rules?"
"WTF did I just say motherfricker?"
quote:
“I’m not talking about any personnel stuff,” Georgia athletic director Greg McGarity said. “Regardless of what the position is, I just don’t comment on personnel decisions or matters. Sorry.”
McGarity declined to comment when asked whether violations of NCAA or SEC rules were involved.
"I can't talk about why we fired them."
"Was it because they broke NCAA rules?"
"WTF did I just say motherfricker?"
Posted on 4/24/19 at 3:20 pm to MrAUTigers
If I had any more interest I suppose I could pull an average rating, but generally speaking for Auburn, fewer total recruits have come from Georgia and fewer top 247 recruits have come from Georgia... see below:
2014: 6th
Top 247 athletes from Georgia:
5
Outside top 247 athletes from Georgia:
7
42% of Georgia athletes signed were top 247
2015: 8th
Top 247 athletes from Georgia:
4
Outside top 247 athletes from Georgia:
6
40% of Georgia athletes signed were top 247
2018: 12th
Top 247 athletes from Georgia:
3
Outside top 247 athletes from Georgia:
5
37.5% of Georgia athletes signed were top 247
2019: 11th
Top 247 athletes from Georgia:
3
Outside top 247 athletes from Georgia:
6
33% of Georgia athletes signed were top 247
2014: 6th
Top 247 athletes from Georgia:
5
Outside top 247 athletes from Georgia:
7
42% of Georgia athletes signed were top 247
2015: 8th
Top 247 athletes from Georgia:
4
Outside top 247 athletes from Georgia:
6
40% of Georgia athletes signed were top 247
2018: 12th
Top 247 athletes from Georgia:
3
Outside top 247 athletes from Georgia:
5
37.5% of Georgia athletes signed were top 247
2019: 11th
Top 247 athletes from Georgia:
3
Outside top 247 athletes from Georgia:
6
33% of Georgia athletes signed were top 247
This post was edited on 4/24/19 at 3:29 pm
Posted on 4/24/19 at 3:21 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Kirby inherited the sixth ranked talent composite and lost to Vanderbilt.
That shite was a farce. Go back and look at that 2013 UGA class and tell me about the wealth of SEC impact players in it.
Posted on 4/24/19 at 3:22 pm to RT1941
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Gus slacked off some lately?
I just think the landscape of recruiting has changed especially in Georgia with Kirby which has historically been where Aulbern has made their bread and butter.
8-5 seasons don't help either
Posted on 4/24/19 at 3:29 pm to Crowknowsbest
btw here is a great sdar post from their board
my favorite part bolded for emphasis. EVeryone cheats but florida.
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Of course you think "Well Athens is fun woof woof, who wouldn't like this place?" It's not a secret that every Saban coach recently seems to have a lot of luck on the recruiting trail except...
Oh that's right.
One Jim McElwain.
Bizarre, why is he the only one? It...no, it can't be.
Is it the same reason that Florida is the only National Championship Basketball team not to be investigated by the FBI/NCAA?
(Whisper) We're a clean program.
my favorite part bolded for emphasis. EVeryone cheats but florida.
This post was edited on 4/24/19 at 4:12 pm
Posted on 4/24/19 at 3:30 pm to aujerm
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landscape of recruiting has changed especially in Georgia with Kirby which has historically been where Aulbern has made their bread and butter.
8-5 seasons don't help either
This is all I was getting at above. It's not like Auburn has zero success in Georgia... Obviously Owen Pappoe was a big win last year. Derrick Brown a few years ago.
But on the whole, Auburn is not winning as many battles in Georgia, particularly not for higher rated guys... and it shows up in the numbers above. Between Kirby recruiting well and Gus having meh seasons, it's a cumulative net loss in the state for Auburn.
Posted on 4/24/19 at 3:33 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Kirby inherited the sixth ranked talent composite and lost to Vanderbilt.
Our nfl talent dwindled under old tired richt. Check the nfl drafts for evidence.
Posted on 4/24/19 at 3:40 pm to WG_Dawg
quote:print the shirts
top ~12ish national program all time
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